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2021-10-22 18:21:37 <geekosaur> there's alkso xmoinad the executable vs. the package or the whole
2021-10-22 18:21:50 <geekosaur> *also xmonad
2021-10-22 18:21:56 <geekosaur> I kan tipe gud
2021-10-22 18:22:05 <Solid> :D
2021-10-22 18:22:45 <Solid> using xmonad only for the core repo/package/executable sounds like a good idea, but also like a nightmare to enforce
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2021-10-22 18:38:47 <liskin> well what's the worst that could happen
2021-10-22 18:39:08 <liskin> someone will need to clean it up again in 5 years time :-)
2021-10-22 18:40:04 <geekosaur> I have to imagineother projects have this problem
2021-10-22 18:40:24 <geekosaur> it sometimes helps to have a conventions document, but then you have to hope people read it
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2021-10-22 18:49:41 <alternateved> I am not sure if you would achieve anything with that matter. Check how it works with other window managers.
2021-10-22 18:50:27 <alternateved> Ways how people are naming them are also all over the place
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2021-10-22 21:34:29 <mestre> e ai
2021-10-22 21:34:36 <mestre> ops, wrong chan.
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2021-10-22 22:42:53 <mc47[m]> The naming conventions are a bit confusing, I remember scratching my head a bit figuring out whether to write XMonad or xmonad while writing my report
2021-10-22 22:43:58 <geekosaur> conventions? ain't any at this point :þ
2021-10-22 22:45:36 <geekosaur> I personally have tried to follow some simple conventions (XMonad for the project, xmonad for the package/repo, `xmonad` for the executable) but even there I usually give up when amending someone else's writing where I usually can't fathom any usable convention
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2021-10-22 22:59:05 <mc47[m]> Let the free market decide the conventions
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2021-10-22 23:43:47 <liskin> hm, I wanted to rearrange CHANGES.md in xmonad but I can't decide what to do, everything seems either breaking or important to me :-)
2021-10-22 23:50:54 <liskin> if GitHub is to be believed (which I'm not sure about as the payout numbers seem messed up), we should have about $820 in balance after Open Collective processes the transaction
2021-10-22 23:50:54 <geekosaur> if it involves core, it probably is one or the other
2021-10-22 23:51:05 <liskin> geekosaur: yeah, core
2021-10-22 23:51:34 <geekosaur> hm, guess I didn't phrase that well. s/if/given that/
2021-10-22 23:51:51 <liskin> ah
2021-10-22 23:52:15 <liskin> so I guess I'll leave this bit for Solid to tackle as he originally suggested that :-)
2021-10-22 23:54:28 <liskin> I wanted to make the announcement post a bit less formal (perhaps even a picture or two?) and add a section about the fundraiser, so that's my priority for tomorrow, and the announcement mail should be prepared too (will it be the same or a shorter version?)
2021-10-22 23:58:18 <geekosaur> dibs on https://wiki.haskell.org/wikiupload/thumb/9/9c/Xmonad-lambdacat.jpg/300px-Xmonad-lambdacat.jpg
2021-10-22 23:58:35 <liskin> :-D
2021-10-22 23:59:11 <liskin> please do post more, I'm really bad at internet memes
2021-10-22 23:59:43 <geekosaur> I'm not really that much better but that one's on the wiki front page and I do find it amusing
2021-10-23 00:00:07 <L29Ah> how do you ppl set and revert terminal emulator window titles?
2021-10-23 00:00:24 <L29Ah> vim does that somehow, but i couldn't understand what's going on after reading its and urxvt's source code
2021-10-23 00:01:41 <liskin> L29Ah: vim cheats, it reads it by looking at the WINDOWID env var and then going through X
2021-10-23 00:02:35 <liskin> there isn't any better way, really. xterm has escapes for that but these are by default disabled presumably for security reasons, and urxvt doesn't have that at all
2021-10-23 00:03:32 <geekosaur> interestingly those escapes are not disabled in the mate and gnome terminal emulators
2021-10-23 00:03:42 <geekosaur> (but what they accept is sanitized)
2021-10-23 00:04:41 <geekosaur> so my prompt+etc. setup sends a bunch of escapes to set the window and icon titles (the latter is often used by taskbars/pagers)
2021-10-23 00:05:18 <liskin> hm, sanitizing probably helps, but it's still risky
2021-10-23 00:05:45 <liskin> if you're in a root shell, you don't want anything asking the terminal to dump the title to the pty input
2021-10-23 00:06:17 <geekosaur> that's a different set of escapes though
2021-10-23 00:08:50 <L29Ah> liskin: i see some code that supposedly should output the title in urxvt but it doesn't for me
2021-10-23 00:09:29 <L29Ah> ahh it's disabled for security's sake
2021-10-23 00:10:36 <liskin> well vim does weird shit
2021-10-23 00:11:12 <geekosaur> one thing that gets me about all this is $WINDOWID is as much of a security violation as the others, possibly more so
2021-10-23 00:11:13 <liskin> like I had to hack the terminfo entry to contain the word "xterm" otherwise some stuff wouldn't work: https://github.com/liskin/dotfiles/blob/home/.terminfo/terminfo.src#L1
2021-10-23 00:11:25 <L29Ah> http://www.shelldorado.com/scripts/cmds/xtitle great i found some $WINDOWID kludges
2021-10-23 00:15:21 <liskin> note that vim only uses WINDOWID for reading, it uses \033]0;…\007 to set the title as any other terminal program should
2021-10-23 00:15:26 <liskin> it wouldn't work in tmux otherwise
2021-10-23 00:16:11 <liskin> (it's still crazy to use WINDOWID in tmux but it usually works)
2021-10-23 00:18:10 <geekosaur> oh. yeh, I only ever set it

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