Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
| 2022-12-07 04:47:48 | <AskYourself[m]> | So for ex, her is my "dot" dir: |
| 2022-12-07 04:48:30 | AskYourself[m] | uploaded an image: (35KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/renNhnerKxfgZLYnCRObDhrl/image.png > |
| 2022-12-07 04:48:35 | <AskYourself[m]> | Notice in xmobar that the workspaces are project names as opposed to numbers. |
| 2022-12-07 04:49:11 | <_Ity[m]> | I see |
| 2022-12-07 04:49:12 | <AskYourself[m]> | That's basically what it does, creates named workspaces with default directories and commands that run when you open them (for ex opening [mus] opens spotify). |
| 2022-12-07 04:49:31 | <_Ity[m]> | Oh, so it overwrites keybinds? |
| 2022-12-07 04:49:47 | <AskYourself[m]> | I couldn't speak to that. |
| 2022-12-07 04:49:51 | <AskYourself[m]> | It's not clear to me that this happens though, maybe. |
| 2022-12-07 04:50:21 | <_Ity[m]> | I guess I don't understand then |
| 2022-12-07 04:50:41 | <AskYourself[m]> | Yeah, this I think is Xmonad specific, I don't think it's general Linux/ricing. |
| 2022-12-07 04:50:50 | <AskYourself[m]> | I appreciate the effort of course. |
| 2022-12-07 04:51:27 | <AskYourself[m]> | If someone in here can tell me why my projects randomly stopped working properly that would be awesome though :P. |
| 2022-12-07 04:52:06 | <_Ity[m]> | If I could understand what projects do in terms of IO, I could help narrow down the problem |
| 2022-12-07 04:53:24 | <_Ity[m]> | * If I could understand what projects do in terms of IO, I might be able help narrow down the problem |
| 2022-12-07 04:53:33 | <AskYourself[m]> | It's very weird. It's like rofi understands that it's in a project context, but the keybinds don't. |
| 2022-12-07 04:54:25 | <AskYourself[m]> | Like if I open Wezterm in the project workspace via rofi, it'll open to ~/.dotfiles (as it should), but if I open Wezterm in the project workspace via the terminal spawning keybind, it'll open to ~/ (which it should not). |
| 2022-12-07 04:55:28 | <AskYourself[m]> | _Ity[m]: If you wanna know something specific, you can ask, but I'm not that advanced and I don't know the library well, so I doubt I'd be able to answer much. |
| 2022-12-07 04:56:05 | <_Ity[m]> | AskYourself[m]: The generic way to spawn a process within a dir is fork,chdir,exec |
| 2022-12-07 04:56:50 | <_Ity[m]> | It is possible that instead it's using some different method that rofi interprets and uses the standard method, but wezterm doesn't |
| 2022-12-07 04:57:53 | <_Ity[m]> | It is also possible that the terminal keybind is ignoring w/e project is doing |
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| 2022-12-07 05:10:16 | <AskYourself[m]> | Hmm. |
| 2022-12-07 05:10:32 | <AskYourself[m]> | So I can get alacritty behaving normally by rebuilding xmonad, clicking outside the workspace, then coming back. |
| 2022-12-07 05:10:38 | <AskYourself[m]> | Does not work with Wezterm though.. |
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| 2022-12-07 15:04:13 | <noze> | this probably gets asked a lot around here, but what's the latest about xmonad and wayland? |
| 2022-12-07 15:06:35 | <geekosaur> | same as before, none of us know how to write it., wlroots seems to be improving of late though |
| 2022-12-07 15:10:30 | <liskin> | I will undoubtedly regret saying this but I don't think lack of knowledge is what's blocking me. Knowledge can be acquired, it takes time, and time is being spent elsewhere unfortunately. |
| 2022-12-07 15:11:21 | <liskin> | Funny thing is that the waymonad project kind of struggles with a similar thing. |
| 2022-12-07 15:11:30 | <dminuoso> | geekosaur: Is anyone even on it? |
| 2022-12-07 15:11:44 | <dminuoso> | ongy seems to have stopped waymonad long time ago |
| 2022-12-07 15:12:18 | <geekosaur> | there's a later fork by L-as but I'm pretty sure he gave up too |
| 2022-12-07 15:12:32 | <geekosaur> | we'll probably have to pay someone to write it |
| 2022-12-07 15:12:37 | <liskin> | Last time I checked, Las was working on some grand new framework for generating low-level code, which will supposedly help with wlroots integration. |
| 2022-12-07 15:12:44 | <geekosaur> | which is why we're piling up contributions with OC |
| 2022-12-07 15:13:04 | <dminuoso> | Yeah, you were sorely missed in Zurich. |
| 2022-12-07 15:13:32 | <liskin> | But I suspect it's a bit of an excuse as that codebase will find use in their blockchain endeavors much sooner. |
| 2022-12-07 15:13:43 | <dminuoso> | My brilliant and cunning plan to present Emacs on Bare Metal was thwarted by liskin's inaptitude. We had a great team of managers, but liskin did not perform. If you had been there geekosaur, we could have revolutionized the world. |
| 2022-12-07 15:13:50 | <liskin> | So it's just the same old "life takes us different ways" situation |
| 2022-12-07 15:14:38 | <liskin> | dminuoso: why did we choose such a silly project in the first place though? |
| 2022-12-07 15:14:43 | <dminuoso> | liskin: But seriously, maybe we just need to make waymonad run in a blockchain to secure unlimited funding. We're just a tad bit too late. |
| 2022-12-07 15:14:49 | <dminuoso> | I dont recall. |
| 2022-12-07 15:14:59 | <liskin> | Had we thought of doing a Wayland compositor in emacs we could've been famous |
| 2022-12-07 15:15:18 | <liskin> | It hit the HN front page recently. |
| 2022-12-07 15:15:37 | <dminuoso> | Im not entirely kidding with that statement regarding blockchain. If you sell the idea with the right attributes, it is much easier to get a deep pocket funding your idea. |
| 2022-12-07 15:15:53 | <liskin> | :-) |
| 2022-12-07 15:16:16 | <dminuoso> | While ycombinator does a lot of venture capital, being on HN does not guarantee it. |
| 2022-12-07 15:16:18 | <liskin> | None of us is particularly good at this non-coding soft stuff though |
| 2022-12-07 15:16:37 | <liskin> | Took all my mental reserves to get us where we are |
| 2022-12-07 15:16:45 | <liskin> | And I haven't recharged since |
| 2022-12-07 15:17:18 | <dminuoso> | One might argue that spending that much energy on an X11 based window manager when the future of desktop had been clear for a long time might have been misguided. |
| 2022-12-07 15:18:32 | <liskin> | Well the idea was that we'd either get enough income to actually have a stab at working for the future, or that I'd learn something |
| 2022-12-07 15:18:59 | <liskin> | I don't consider that a failure at all as we made huge progress on both goals |
| 2022-12-07 15:19:48 | <dminuoso> | The idea should have been sold to Red Hat. :po |
| 2022-12-07 15:20:27 | <liskin> | If I didn't live in a high cost of living location (for personal/family reasons), working part time on Wayland xmonad would be quite realistic |
| 2022-12-07 15:21:22 | <dminuoso> | Where do you currently live? |
| 2022-12-07 15:21:51 | <liskin> | London |
| 2022-12-07 15:22:22 | <dminuoso> | Ah I see. Where about in London? |
| 2022-12-07 15:22:49 | <liskin> | My rent is like triple or quadruple of xmonad's GitHub Sponsors income. |
| 2022-12-07 15:22:52 | <liskin> | It's insane |
| 2022-12-07 15:23:08 | <dminuoso> | I've heard crazy stories about rent in london yeah |
| 2022-12-07 15:23:16 | <liskin> | https://www.blackhorsebeermile.co.uk/ right here |
| 2022-12-07 15:23:18 | <_Ity[m]> | <geekosaur> "same as before, none of us..." <- Is that really the state? |
| 2022-12-07 15:23:22 | <liskin> | (I know, lol) |
| 2022-12-07 15:24:11 | <dminuoso> | liskin: Okay I understand the "personal reasons" part now. >:) |
| 2022-12-07 15:24:18 | <dminuoso> | Cheers! |
| 2022-12-07 15:24:21 | <liskin> | :-D |
| 2022-12-07 15:24:46 | <dminuoso> | Must be quite a stink in the air with that many breweries around. |
| 2022-12-07 15:25:02 | <dminuoso> | It's not nice running around the large breweries here in Hannover. |
| 2022-12-07 15:25:04 | <liskin> | Well I would move to Czechia on a whim if that didn't affect anything else |
| 2022-12-07 15:25:46 | <liskin> | Not really, it's usually shadowed by the sweet smell of a giant bakery that's nearer than the breweries |
| 2022-12-07 15:25:52 | <_Ity[m]> | This convo is getting interesting |
| 2022-12-07 15:26:06 | <_Ity[m]> | Czech native here |
| 2022-12-07 15:26:06 | <liskin> | Also microbreweries aren't that smelly as big commercial ones |
| 2022-12-07 15:26:15 | <liskin> | And also I love the smell anyway |
| 2022-12-07 15:26:16 | <dminuoso> | Ah these are small I see |
| 2022-12-07 15:26:46 | <liskin> | _Ity[m]: where exactly? I'm from Brno |
| 2022-12-07 15:27:55 | <_Ity[m]> | Oh, I prefer not to share the city ^^ |
| 2022-12-07 15:29:53 | <_Ity[m]> | Are you native too? |
| 2022-12-07 15:30:26 | <geekosaur> | _Ity[m], we're all X11 people, we don't know Wayland and mostly don't trust it quite yet |
| 2022-12-07 15:30:49 | <geekosaur> | like I said, we'd have to pay someone to write a Wayland version |
| 2022-12-07 15:31:04 | <geekosaur> | or hope L-as decides to work on it again |
| 2022-12-07 15:31:12 | <_Ity[m]> | I am also an X11 person and don't quite like Wayland, but I've been wanting to write an impl for a while |
| 2022-12-07 15:31:31 | <liskin> | _Ity[m]: yep, born there, spent 30+ years there |
| 2022-12-07 15:31:31 | <_Ity[m]> | * a while just to see |
| 2022-12-07 15:31:56 | <liskin> | It's still my home. |
| 2022-12-07 15:32:31 | <_Ity[m]> | O I see, why did you move out, if I may ask? |
| 2022-12-07 15:33:16 | <liskin> | Wife's an academic. Having worked abroad is a requirement for senior academic jobs in CZ. |
| 2022-12-07 15:33:36 | <_Ity[m]> | Oh, I guess that's true |
| 2022-12-07 15:34:13 | <_Ity[m]> | Academic jobs pay so little here |
| 2022-12-07 15:34:32 | <liskin> | There are exceptions if you're better than literally everyone else (a friend of mine used this) but she's not. |
| 2022-12-07 15:34:59 | <_Ity[m]> | I see |
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