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2021-12-22 12:10:00 <mestre> Hello, I'm trying to find out how to go back to the login screen from xmonad. Any clues?
2021-12-22 12:10:34 <geekosaur> mod-shift-q is the default
2021-12-22 12:11:19 <mestre> ill try, thank you :)
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2021-12-22 15:01:51 <dirtcastle> I'm trying to choose a twm. Rn I've narrowed it down to xmonad and dwm. I've heared xmonad is highly extensible. How true is that?
2021-12-22 15:03:34 <geekosaur> we've got 200 extension modules and still growing
2021-12-22 15:04:02 <geekosaur> dwm should actually be just as extensible, since xmonad is more or less dwm in Haskell instead of C
2021-12-22 15:05:22 <dirtcastle> But community patches in dwm is less in number? Are Extension same as patches?
2021-12-22 15:08:22 <dirtcastle> Am I asking the wrong questions
2021-12-22 15:08:23 <geekosaur> essentially the same. C more or less requires that extensions be done as patches; Haskell is more flexible, so we can do things as extension modules that plug in
2021-12-22 15:09:01 <geekosaur> that's a large part of why xmonad was developed in the first place, because Haskell made it possible to express things more easily and more flexibly than C did
2021-12-22 15:09:32 <geekosaur> sadly the original developers are gone at this point
2021-12-22 15:10:59 <geekosaur> I'm the longest serving developer at this point and I came on board when xmonad was at version 0.2 so I can't say much about the earlier history than what dons and sjanssen told me back then
2021-12-22 15:11:19 <dirtcastle> Oh that's sad.
2021-12-22 15:12:23 <geekosaur> haskell programmers have this annoying tendency to be hired by financial institutions that then put restrictive NDAs on them so they can't contribute to open source any more
2021-12-22 15:12:58 <geekosaur> (I've been on the edge of that and intend to get no closer)
2021-12-22 15:15:16 <dirtcastle> Wow first time talking to a developer. thanks for your work (yours & ur fellow developers) ! After ricing my pc, I'm thinking of contributing as much as I can.
2021-12-22 15:18:22 <dirtcastle> Oh. That's kinda messed up. Haskell being hard to learn and restricting the ones who are able to get a job as haskell programmer from contributing to open source....
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2021-12-22 15:19:42 <geekosaur> not everyone who gets a haskell job is restricted, and in fact many of the big ecosystem developers have haskell-related jobs. it's just the ones who work for banks and the like, and that isn't so much related to haskell as it is to banks
2021-12-22 15:19:47 <dirtcastle> That's gotta impact the health of the project.
2021-12-22 15:20:32 <geekosaur> not really. they designed the core, but the core is pretty stable and hasn't changed or needed to change much since
2021-12-22 15:21:10 <geekosaur> contrib changes a lot more, and while we contribute to it, more often we're helping others contribute to it
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2021-12-22 15:23:42 <dirtcastle> That sounds like a really smart thing to do. I've never heard other projects doing something like this but my knowledge is tiny on these subjects.
2021-12-22 15:24:08 <geekosaur> (liskin will probably beg to differ at this point since he likes to bite off more than he can chew :)
2021-12-22 15:30:01 <geekosaur> I think most projects I'm aware of have mentors to help new contributors, whether they're Haskell-related or not. You generally need to make contributing as easy as possible for a project to stay alive
2021-12-22 15:30:38 <dirtcastle> :D we ,contributers, hope will make all your time & effort worthwhile.
2021-12-22 15:31:51 <dirtcastle> That's true!
2021-12-22 15:33:16 <geekosaur> I know if you go talk to sm over in #hledger he'll tell you much the same thing. The bar's already pretty high just because we're both Haskell-based projects, making it even higher does not help at all
2021-12-22 15:39:33 <dirtcastle> I agree!
2021-12-22 15:42:09 <dirtcastle> So adding extensions to xmonad is as simple as "import extension" ?
2021-12-22 15:42:51 <geekosaur> generally you need to add something to a hook, or add a combinator somewhere. but you don't need to patch xmonad source or anything silly like that
2021-12-22 15:43:59 <geekosaur> in Haskell, importing something just brings new names into scope, you still have to make use of those names
2021-12-22 15:44:30 <geekosaur> but we generally try to make using those names easy
2021-12-22 15:44:48 <dirtcastle> That's going to avoid a lot of pain. One or two patches is managable removing one patch when there are 5-6 patches, things can go wrong anytime.
2021-12-22 15:44:56 <geekosaur> we're still redesigning some of the older parts of contrib to make them easier to use
2021-12-22 15:46:29 <dirtcastle> That's amazing!
2021-12-22 15:50:39 <dirtcastle> U have convinced me to use xmonad. :) Ever since I learnt abt linux , FLOSS, I am in love with it. love you guys and ur work.
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2021-12-22 16:12:42 geekosaur remembers to add another docs bug
2021-12-22 16:15:39 <dirtcastle> Lolol
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2021-12-22 17:12:14 liskin used to like to literally bite off more than he can chew :-D
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2021-12-22 19:01:52 geekosaur now has his laptop config on github finally
2021-12-22 19:02:37 <geekosaur> https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/tree/skkukuk
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2021-12-22 20:18:26 <geekosaur> mrf. made a branch to work on the docks keybinding function stuff and never did anything else with it. now I have to remember the hack I came up with to make `def` work…
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2021-12-22 20:29:39 <geekosaur> hm, that is annoying. updated my xmonad-contrib fork and got the CI config with it, wasn't quite expecting that
2021-12-22 20:29:55 <geekosaur> twice since I have the additional branch
2021-12-22 20:44:28 <Solid> isn't biting off more than one can chew the meaning of life? would be pretty boring otherwise :P
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