Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
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| 2022-09-28 14:26:21 | <[Leary]> | geekosaur: I don't understand how X works without a window manager---in that bug, is it possible that xclock starts before xmonad is ready to catch it, and naively maps itself? |
| 2022-09-28 14:26:39 | <[Leary]> | Since it sounds like the issue there is---rather than not being managed yet---being prematurely mapped. |
| 2022-09-28 14:42:49 | <geekosaur> | I presume PartOf in the systemd unit means it waits until the session is running, but launches it before xmonad |
| 2022-09-28 14:43:06 | <geekosaur> | same thing should happen if you have it in .xinitrc or .xsession before xmonad |
| 2022-09-28 14:43:35 | <geekosaur> | xmonad runs a loop to manage existing windows on startup |
| 2022-09-28 14:45:20 | <[Leary]> | Right, but if it decides that those windows are on an invisible workspace, it won't try to map or unmap them. So if they're already mapped for some reason, they would stay that way. |
| 2022-09-28 14:46:04 | <[Leary]> | Until you switch to the workspace. |
| 2022-09-28 14:46:23 | <geekosaur> | actually, in the normal case it unmaps them because it runs the manageHook on each window it's managing. so the doShift "2" should happen and the window should be unmapped |
| 2022-09-28 14:46:28 | <geekosaur> | this has worked for me in the past |
| 2022-09-28 14:47:05 | <[Leary]> | `doShift "2"` should only unmap if the window was previously visible. |
| 2022-09-28 14:47:27 | <geekosaur> | but it will be, as you just noted, because if there's no wm running it's simply mapped |
| 2022-09-28 14:47:47 | <geekosaur> | then xmonad manages it, shifts it to ws 2, and unmaps it as part of that |
| 2022-09-28 14:48:12 | <[Leary]> | No, here by visible, I mean in a visible workspace. But this is a new window. |
| 2022-09-28 14:49:53 | <liskin> | PartOf mostly just means it will be stopped when the session ends, not that it waits for anything |
| 2022-09-28 14:50:25 | <liskin> | I don't think there's any ordering of xclock/xmonad launch |
| 2022-09-28 14:50:34 | <liskin> | they most likely race each other |
| 2022-09-28 14:53:48 | <geekosaur> | there are no workspaces when the window is mapped; it will become the active workspace when xmonad starts. so everything should work. even if the first thing you do in the startupHook is switch workspaces, because managing is done before running the startupHook |
| 2022-09-28 14:55:45 | <geekosaur> | sadly this means I need to customize ManageDebug to dump the initial manage stuff 😕 |
| 2022-09-28 14:56:25 | <[Leary]> | The window is mapped but belongs to no workspace until xmonad manages it. `manage` produces two functions, `g` and `f` from the managehook and it's own insertion logic respectively. But if `g` shifts the window to an invisible workspace, then `windows (g . f)` never sees the window as ever having been anywhere else. |
| 2022-09-28 14:57:01 | <[Leary]> | And hence sees no need to `hide` it. |
| 2022-09-28 14:57:18 | <geekosaur> | reversed, no? but yes, I see that point |
| 2022-09-28 14:57:49 | <geekosaur> | that is, f would be doing the shifting |
| 2022-09-28 14:58:02 | <geekosaur> | but this has worked for me before… |
| 2022-09-28 14:58:18 | <geekosaur> | hm. not sure I've ever done a doShift with it though |
| 2022-09-28 14:58:20 | <[Leary]> | No, `f` puts it in the current workspace, but that's transparently eliminated by the composition. |
| 2022-09-28 14:59:00 | <[Leary]> | Anyway, I think `manage` needs to run `hide` in some circumstances. |
| 2022-09-28 14:59:04 | <liskin> | mapM_ hide (nub (oldvisible ++ newwindows) \\ visible) |
| 2022-09-28 14:59:11 | <liskin> | this should hide it though, shouldn't it? |
| 2022-09-28 14:59:52 | <liskin> | it'll be in newwindows |
| 2022-09-28 14:59:59 | <liskin> | but not in visible |
| 2022-09-28 14:59:59 | <[Leary]> | Hmmm. You might be right. |
| 2022-09-28 15:27:05 | <geekosaur> | modified ManageDebug deployed |
| 2022-09-28 15:27:30 | <geekosaur> | managing new windows happens before the startupHook so I had to change initialValue instead |
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| 2022-09-29 07:45:39 | <Industrial[m]> | Hello. After not using xmonad for a while I just re-tried my config file from a while back and I get this error:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/131e1083b8c682377f2341118090472801bf8182>) |
| 2022-09-29 07:49:41 | <fizzie> | It's trying to say that `myKeys conf@ XConfig {...}` should be `myKeys conf@XConfig {...}` instead. |
| 2022-09-29 07:49:46 | <fizzie> | https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/migration/9.0#whitespace-sensitive-and- |
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