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| 2022-09-08 10:48:20 | <Solid> | I guess the next hardest thing it to decide on a number... |
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| 2022-09-08 10:56:18 | <mesaoptimizer> | there's an extremely strange bug I've encountered, where firefox freezes whenever it throws a (native) notification |
| 2022-09-08 10:56:29 | <mesaoptimizer> | and I noticed it only after I began using xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 11:12:56 | <xmonadtrack> | xmonad-contrib Tony Zorman * v0.17.1-6-g9b6bef7e: X.D.Extending: Add links to headings (3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/9b6bef7e9dc0 |
| 2022-09-08 11:12:57 | <xmonadtrack> | xmonad-contrib Tony Zorman * v0.17.1-7-g9809b201: X.D.Extending: Update hooks (3 days ago, 1 file, 18+ 19-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/9809b2013ff3 |
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| 2022-09-08 11:13:09 | <xmonadtrack> | ... and 2 more commits |
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| 2022-09-08 12:27:00 | <liskin> | Solid: that's a hard one indeed :-/ |
| 2022-09-08 12:28:00 | <liskin> | there are all these roadmap/planning/contracting/whatever exercises Sumana's docs suggest we should be doing to get a better idea but I'd personally rather not get paid than to do most of that :-) |
| 2022-09-08 12:29:45 | <liskin> | good thing is we don't really need to account for myself, cause I don't really have time these days, and if I got fired and needed help with rent for some time it'd be so massively unfair (because the rent is insane) I wouldn't ask for it anyway |
| 2022-09-08 12:30:13 | <liskin> | so it's really just about do we have a better idea what to do with it or not |
| 2022-09-08 12:30:57 | <liskin> | there was a time about a year ago when I was eager to discuss this but now I really have no idea and no extra cycles to actually organise any reasonable spending :-/ |
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| 2022-09-08 13:01:17 | <Solid> | liskin: I'm almost tempted to roll a die, but with my luck it'd be something massively unfair :/ |
| 2022-09-08 13:02:53 | <geekosaur> | mesaoptimizer, are you running a notification daemon and dbus? |
| 2022-09-08 13:03:16 | <geekosaur> | xmonad is not a desktop manager and doesn't include or run desktop services |
| 2022-09-08 13:03:33 | <geekosaur> | dunst is common as a notification daemon |
| 2022-09-08 13:03:54 | <geekosaur> | you still need dbus though; this will depend on how you're starting xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 13:34:49 | <liskin> | Solid: it's gonna be unfair one way or another anyway |
| 2022-09-08 13:39:55 | <liskin> | just go and spill a drink over your laptop and get a new one and don't bother with taxes, that's what I'd do |
| 2022-09-08 13:40:14 | <liskin> | because I just can't be arsed to do any of this bureacratic nonsense |
| 2022-09-08 13:40:29 | <liskin> | unfortunately they don't make good laptops any more :-) |
| 2022-09-08 13:40:50 | <liskin> | although I did manage to get used to the modern thinkpad keyboard after 4 months |
| 2022-09-08 13:41:34 | <alternateved> | That really sounds difficult |
| 2022-09-08 13:41:44 | <liskin> | now I'm actually able to seamlessly switch between having pageup/down near arrows and having them at the top right without much fuss |
| 2022-09-08 13:41:47 | <alternateved> | Like how do you even go about it |
| 2022-09-08 13:41:57 | <liskin> | alternateved: go about what? |
| 2022-09-08 13:45:31 | <liskin> | also I've been using s2idle on this new thinkpad and it just works and it's amazing, resumes before I finish opening the lid |
| 2022-09-08 13:47:20 | <alternateved> | opensource, money, non-profit when there is profit etc. |
| 2022-09-08 13:48:14 | <geekosaur> | we're going to need a fair amount of money to pay someone to do a wayland port, given that none of us is up to it |
| 2022-09-08 13:48:19 | <alternateved> | I mean, I never thought about that |
| 2022-09-08 13:49:04 | <liskin> | alternateved: there's quite a bit of docs on that topic around opencollective, and now also these: https://buttondown.email/Changeset/archive/maintainer-guides-spending-succession-more/ |
| 2022-09-08 13:49:41 | <liskin> | I'm not really the person to ask about doing this in the most legal way because I just don't know/care |
| 2022-09-08 13:50:02 | <alternateved> | liskin: oh yeah, that is helpful |
| 2022-09-08 13:50:39 | <liskin> | I *think* that expensing a €1000 piece of hardware once a while that you then use for some personal projects many of which are open-source is completely fair |
| 2022-09-08 13:51:57 | <liskin> | but then I was born in pre-1989 Czechoslovakia where people expensed millions to government-run industries and used it to kickstart their business, so my moral radar may be biased |
| 2022-09-08 13:53:20 | <liskin> | good thing is that by using OpenCollective, there's a lawyer/accountant on their side verifying every expense of ours, so I don't think we need to care at all |
| 2022-09-08 13:53:33 | <liskin> | as long as we keep the Twitter mobs away, we'll be fine :-D |
| 2022-09-08 13:55:39 | <liskin> | geekosaur: hiring a person to do that won't be easy though |
| 2022-09-08 13:55:47 | <geekosaur> | yeh |
| 2022-09-08 13:56:11 | <geekosaur> | that's part of what I'm figuring into the expected cost though |
| 2022-09-08 13:56:40 | <liskin> | good point |
| 2022-09-08 13:57:05 | <liskin> | paying someone like Sumana to help with the hiring/project management might help |
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| 2022-09-08 14:23:47 | <Solid> | liskin: I can't buy a new laptop, I will never get all of the stickers off of this one! :D |
| 2022-09-08 14:24:23 | <liskin> | Solid: you could by a 51nb motherboard from xyte.ch though! |
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| 2022-09-08 14:26:22 | <Solid> | oh, they have something for the x220? |
| 2022-09-08 14:32:02 | <liskin> | not sure but would be weird if they didn't |
| 2022-09-08 14:36:52 | <mesaoptimizer> | geekosaur: I see. I do have dbus and dunst works as expected but firefox reliably uses its own native "web push" notifications instead of dunst, and I assume this is a firefox issue |
| 2022-09-08 14:37:47 | <Solid> | anyways, 1k seems very much on the side of "unfair" :/ |
| 2022-09-08 14:37:50 | <Solid> | god I'm bad at this |
| 2022-09-08 14:38:22 | <mesaoptimizer> | I don't understand, unfair to whom? |
| 2022-09-08 14:38:33 | <geekosaur> | mesaoptimizer, sorry, I understood "native" incorrectly |
| 2022-09-08 14:38:51 | <geekosaur> | you may need to identify the firefox notifications and exclude them from management |
| 2022-09-08 14:39:20 | <geekosaur> | or from something else (I run picom and have to exclude notifications from it) |
| 2022-09-08 14:39:24 | <mesaoptimizer> | any docs you could point me to? |
| 2022-09-08 14:39:27 | <mesaoptimizer> | or code? |
| 2022-09-08 14:40:29 | <geekosaur> | I only have the picom config, xmonad ignores my notifications already (but I run chrome and it uses the standard desktop notifications) |
| 2022-09-08 14:40:55 | <liskin> | Solid: unfair which way? :-) |
| 2022-09-08 14:41:20 | <mesaoptimizer> | maybe I should switch entirely to chromium if that is the case, since I barely use firefox anyway |
| 2022-09-08 14:41:34 | <Solid> | liskin: hahahahaha |
| 2022-09-08 14:43:17 | <mesaoptimizer> | nice, chromium uses dunst to create notifications, unlike firefox. It feels wrong to give up on firefox tbh, I guess I'll need to switch to chromium full time |
| 2022-09-08 14:43:24 | <Solid> | (I'm working like 50 hours a week while I'm getting paid for 20 so you can imagine how my paycheck looks :) |
| 2022-09-08 14:45:48 | <liskin> | well as long as you're having fun |
| 2022-09-08 14:46:18 | <liskin> | I used to do this when I was younger, and my then manager told me that the light that shines twice as bright shines twice less long |
| 2022-09-08 14:47:32 | <liskin> | and now I can't any more |
| 2022-09-08 14:47:34 | <geekosaur> | in the US there's a nasty tendency for managers to demand that kind of thing 😞 |
| 2022-09-08 14:47:57 | <liskin> | there's lots of short-sighetdness in US :-) |
| 2022-09-08 14:48:14 | <geekosaur> | no argument |
| 2022-09-08 14:48:28 | <geekosaur> | but there's also lots of eager kids who can be sucked dry and replaced |
| 2022-09-08 14:50:57 | <Solid> | few people in this business who don't work that much |
| 2022-09-08 14:51:13 | <Solid> | maybe this is why mathematicians are generally burned out once they hit like 45 or so :] |
| 2022-09-08 15:21:58 | <fizzie> | Fun fact: Chrom(e|ium) has a (pretty modest) list of capabilities it requires the notification daemon to support (speficially, 'body' and 'actions'), otherwise it falls back to its own custom ones (that for me on XMonad more often than not end up behind windows). |
| 2022-09-08 15:22:08 | <fizzie> | (I imagine any "serious" notification thing meets those requirements, I just looked into this when thinking what'd be the minimum requirements for getting desktop notifications to go into my hand-made status bar.) |
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| 2022-09-08 15:31:54 | <liskin> | s/Fun/useful/, actually |
| 2022-09-08 15:32:52 | <liskin> | now I remember that back when I had time to tweak my xmonad to perfection I did actually look into chromium's source code to figure out what I need to do to get it to notify via a notifications daemon instead of doing its own thing |
| 2022-09-08 15:33:06 | <liskin> | shame I didn't document what I found |
| 2022-09-08 15:34:03 | <liskin> | also chromium does the equivalent of wmctrl -m when it starts to decide how to handle moving of tabs |
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