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2021-10-22 08:47:10 × dschrempf quits (~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-22 09:10:33 <liskin> JasonFischmann[m: no idea but I'd think that if it worked with gnome 38 it should work with 40 and if it doesn't it's a bug in either gnome or xmonad or the glue between them
2021-10-22 09:10:55 <liskin> so the best course of action is to try to diagnose what's wrong with the thing that worked before
2021-10-22 09:11:32 <liskin> Arcanus[m]: what major update, what broke in your config?
2021-10-22 09:12:54 <liskin> mc47: hm, this PP -> thing is worring me. it's like having two nested readers :-/
2021-10-22 09:13:08 <liskin> mc47: but it may be good in practice, it just feels wrong :-)
2021-10-22 09:13:15 <mc47> It does feel wrong
2021-10-22 09:14:17 <mc47> We could just leave it as is and change post-release if we see fit
2021-10-22 09:14:33 <mc47> it would be a breaking change though
2021-10-22 09:19:57 <liskin> I guess I'll need to checkout the code again and play with it
2021-10-22 09:20:11 <liskin> (which means, not now, hopefully today)
2021-10-22 09:22:20 <liskin> or if you have time to play with it now, what would it look like if PP was added to WS?
2021-10-22 09:22:47 <liskin> (I say 9f6f7b183ad47f931344 just now, it looks okay actually, just still feels wrong)
2021-10-22 09:22:51 <liskin> *saw
2021-10-22 09:29:16 <mc47> The important thing is not to delay the release because of this ;) I doubt that many people would actually use it, so it would be okay to break later
2021-10-22 11:07:57 <Arcanus[m]> <liskin> "Arcanus: what major update, what..." <- ``` (6/8) Recompiling Xmonad now because of Haskell updates ...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/3ec43c528720cd108cacc63581b1e8c96ffdff33)
2021-10-22 11:09:25 <Arcanus[m]> this is what happened when I tried to start xmonad after the update. xmonad still runs, and the changes don't seem to actually affect anything major in my actual config, but this happens every time I try to recompile so I guess I have some cleaning up to do
2021-10-22 11:13:40 <Solid> Arcanus[m]: they don't seem to affect anything because xmonad simply uses the old binary of the compilation fails
2021-10-22 11:14:44 <Solid> something tells me that you're using Arch, perhaps try running `sudo ghc-pkg recache` to sync ghc's cache
2021-10-22 11:17:47 <Arcanus[m]> Solid: hahaha, I forgot to mention, I run arch btw
2021-10-22 11:21:44 <Solid> dynamically linking Haskell is the worst thing any distro has ever done
2021-10-22 11:21:59 <Solid> and then it happens to the distro whose users seems to have a larger overlap with xmonad users than normal
2021-10-22 11:22:02 <Solid> sigh
2021-10-22 11:22:51 <evilop> can look at it the other way too, not having sane dynamic linking support is the worst thing ghc have done :p
2021-10-22 11:22:59 <Arcanus[m]> <Solid> "something tells me that you're..." <- ran the command, then recompiled this is the error I'm getting now:
2021-10-22 11:22:59 <Arcanus[m]> ```error detected while loading xmonad configuration file /home/user/.xmonad/xmonad.hs
2021-10-22 11:22:59 <Arcanus[m]> collect2: fatal error: Id terminated with signal 7 [Bus error], core dumped compilation terminated. 'cc' failed in phase 'Linker'. Exit code: 1)
2021-10-22 11:22:59 <Arcanus[m]> Please check the file for errors.```
2021-10-22 11:23:51 <Solid> evilop: dynamic linking is the devil, so agree to disagree there :>
2021-10-22 11:24:35 <Solid> (but that desire should not be an excuse for Arch to flip the middle finger to all Haskell users...)
2021-10-22 11:24:41 <Arcanus[m]> and....now I can't close any windows...I will have to log out
2021-10-22 11:25:22 <Arcanus[m]> Solid: which distro works best with xmonad?
2021-10-22 11:26:28 <Solid> by default; any distro but Arch (and possibly its derivatives :)) But even on Arch you can install stack-static (I think it's called that) and install xmonad via stack
2021-10-22 11:26:53 <Solid> which is imo the easiest "reliable" setup one can have
2021-10-22 11:27:26 <Solid> (see https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/master/INSTALL.md#build-xmonad )
2021-10-22 11:27:32 <alternateved> So stack-static would be better option than installing stack with the sh script from stack page?
2021-10-22 11:27:50 <evilop> sidenote, I've have had more issues with xmonad on ubuntu than on arch
2021-10-22 11:27:50 <alternateved> Better for Arch-based distributions, I mean.
2021-10-22 11:28:18 <evilop> when not wanting to use the ancient version packaged for it
2021-10-22 11:28:46 <Solid> alternateved: I haven't used Arch in some time, so I can't say for sure
2021-10-22 11:28:58 <Solid> (and no idea what that script does)
2021-10-22 11:29:25 <evilop> (also ubuntu shipping ghc7 named as ghc6 was just hillarious)
2021-10-22 11:29:59 <Solid> lol
2021-10-22 11:30:03 <alternateved> Yeah, me neither. But I advised someone lately to use stack to manage xmonad and it seems that after a while stack disappeared from PATH
2021-10-22 11:30:15 <alternateved> At least that is how I understand that guy's issue.
2021-10-22 11:30:58 <evilop> that sounds like the user changing some user config regarding his shell
2021-10-22 11:31:46 <alternateved> Maybe, I cannot be sure what that user was doing on his computer.
2021-10-22 11:32:20 <alternateved> I only know that he had poor experience with Arch xmonad-git package and then he had poor experience with the stack
2021-10-22 11:32:33 <alternateved> This is the script if anyone is curious https://get.haskellstack.org/
2021-10-22 11:33:56 <Arcanus[m]> alternateved: I shall check it out post haste
2021-10-22 11:33:56 <Arcanus[m]> does this mean I need to re isntall and re-write my xmonad config?
2021-10-22 11:35:10 <alternateved> I'll leave that answer to someone more competent.
2021-10-22 11:35:39 <alternateved> But I have to say, when I was using Arch, stack was the only viable option for me.
2021-10-22 11:36:27 <alternateved> Using anything from Arch or Arch User Repositories quickly led to some breakage
2021-10-22 11:37:33 <alternateved> But I also wanted to use xmonad compiled from source (since I saw the TUTORIAL.md page), which does some things better
2021-10-22 11:37:58 <Arcanus[m]> that's so weird, I've been using it for a while, well, since I switched to arch and haven't had any problems with it until now
2021-10-22 11:37:58 <Arcanus[m]> besides being unable to figure out how to properly configure my xmobar
2021-10-22 12:03:11 <Solid> Arcanus[m]: you don't have to write your config, no
2021-10-22 12:03:20 <Solid> s/write/rewrite/
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2021-10-22 14:37:50 <Solid> liskin: ewmhFullscreen does not work without ewmh, right?
2021-10-22 14:40:38 <alternateved> It seems it does work.
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2021-10-22 14:41:31 <liskin> Solid: it might, but it's not guaranteed; contents of the _NET_SUPPORTED property is undefined without ewmh, and ewmhFullscreen just adds to it
2021-10-22 14:42:09 <liskin> if someone replaces a fully EWMH-compliant WM with xmonad with ewmhFullscreen without ewmh, hillarity will ensue
2021-10-22 14:42:38 <liskin> (quite possibly a difficult to detect hillarity)
2021-10-22 14:43:57 <liskin> after #625, however, using just ewmhFullscreen will be valid (not that I'm going to test that usecase, but I will consider bug reports about it serious)
2021-10-22 14:51:04 <Solid> liskin: I was mainly thinking about the fact that we know get a deprecation warning in X.L.Fullscreen (and since we show deprecation warnings to users during recompilation this may be undesirable for people who compile contrib alongside their config file)
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2021-10-22 14:52:43 <liskin> Solid: I see
2021-10-22 14:53:01 <liskin> I did spend considerable time thinking and writing code to get rid of that particular warning
2021-10-22 14:53:14 <liskin> and then I threw it all away and decided it's not worth it
2021-10-22 14:54:14 <liskin> but you do have a good point that people using the StackGhc recompile method will get warned about this, I did not consider that
2021-10-22 14:54:46 <liskin> so I suggest that we silence deprecations in X.L.Fullscreen until #625 is done
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2021-10-22 15:04:44 <liskin> actually not, xmonad --recompile invokes stack build --silent
2021-10-22 15:05:24 <liskin> so this only affects people with custom build scripts, hm
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2021-10-22 18:15:43 Solid feels like we need to standardise how we write xmonad
2021-10-22 18:15:51 <Solid> as in, the actual name of the thing
2021-10-22 18:16:02 <Solid> is it "xmonad" or "XMonad"? :)
2021-10-22 18:17:10 <liskin> oh, right, it's inconsistent right on the xmonad homepage :-)
2021-10-22 18:17:59 <liskin> we could interpret "xmonad" as the core repo/package and "XMonad" as the whole
2021-10-22 18:20:37 <Solid> Yeah it's all over the place everywhere
2021-10-22 18:20:52 <Solid> I have a feeling it's because Xmonad (say, when the name is at the start of a sentence) looks so bad
2021-10-22 18:21:08 <Solid> (also the namespace, of course)

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