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2023-07-26 22:13:59 <absta[m]> Let me post the options when I get to my computer.
2023-07-26 22:14:12 <absta[m]> Hmm, what is blur?
2023-07-26 22:25:20 <geekosaur> I guess that means you weren't playing with it? search for it in the manpage
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2023-07-26 22:54:10 <ChaoticMist[m]> <absta[m]> "Hmm, what is blur?" <- as in ~--blur-method~, ~blur-background~ and etc.
2023-07-26 22:54:39 <absta[m]> I see, I am not using one. I suspect that shadow is overwriting the border
2023-07-26 22:55:56 <ChaoticMist[m]> absta[m]: Did you try disabling them and running picom? That could be the easiest way to find out
2023-07-26 22:56:16 <absta[m]> Let me try that
2023-07-26 23:36:10 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: I'm not coming back from my "vacation" any time soon I'm afraid
2023-07-26 23:37:56 <liskin> There was a period of time when I would have been able to review the PR provided someone took my simpler and more robust design and polished it, but these days I can't promise even that :-(
2023-07-26 23:38:27 <liskin> Still... it would be nice if someone did. It's not exactly rocket science.
2023-07-26 23:38:32 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: WTF is going on? Everything alright?
2023-07-26 23:39:03 <ChaoticMist[m]> BTW, I was just checking the status of the PR. Nothing serious tbh, so don't worry about it!
2023-07-26 23:39:42 <liskin> Just a very bad burnout, possibly depression.
2023-07-26 23:40:30 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: How long has this been going on for? And do you know when it started happening?
2023-07-26 23:40:47 <ChaoticMist[m]> Also, have you talked to someone about it?
2023-07-26 23:40:50 <liskin> Been a year I guess, maybe two.
2023-07-26 23:41:19 <liskin> You'd expect to have sorted it out via doctors by now but I'm doing something wrong I guess
2023-07-26 23:41:51 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: I did not, because I know people who have gone for way longer than that without getting their depression cured.
2023-07-26 23:42:53 <liskin> They just keep telling me I need to wait for a diagnosis and that takes ages even with a private health insurance. If I was relying on the NHS it'd be literally years. Like... 5
2023-07-26 23:42:58 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: some people get addicted to the depressive state, other's avoid the answers they know would solve the issue
2023-07-26 23:43:19 <geekosaur> and even so only about a third of people respond to medication
2023-07-26 23:43:34 <ChaoticMist[m]> Also, ending it is not an answer. That's just evading the issue. So please people, don't do something dumb like that.
2023-07-26 23:43:51 <liskin> Yeah, fun times still ahead.
2023-07-26 23:44:06 <liskin> But nowhere near ending it.
2023-07-26 23:44:10 <ChaoticMist[m]> geekosaur: I think it's even less than that tbh
2023-07-26 23:44:16 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Good!
2023-07-26 23:44:18 <geekosaur> mine never expressed that way. I just withdrew into myself and couldn't do much of anything
2023-07-26 23:45:38 <absta[m]> Honestly burnout is normal
2023-07-26 23:45:46 <geekosaur> (but mine was side effect, really. being treated for the actual problem now, not perfectly but the depression's gone)
2023-07-26 23:45:47 <liskin> If it was that bad there'd be better options I'm sure. I can still quit the job, pack my stuff and go home and let an actual functioning EU healthcare system take care of me.
2023-07-26 23:46:02 <ChaoticMist[m]> (not bragging or something.. so do not take it the wrong way) I personally just "deleted" my older self and I find myself oftentimes not recalling older memories. So do not try that method
2023-07-26 23:46:41 <liskin> I'd love to delete my current self, if anything :-)
2023-07-26 23:46:48 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Do you feel that the job is causing you depression?
2023-07-26 23:46:58 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: You'll forget to experience emotions too
2023-07-26 23:47:07 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: possibly
2023-07-26 23:47:44 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Why not just quit? You don't have an infinite lifespan to continue with this shit..
2023-07-26 23:48:12 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: yeah that's a good question...
2023-07-26 23:48:34 <ChaoticMist[m]> Are you afraid of rewarding your own self?
2023-07-26 23:48:37 <liskin> Mainly because last time I looked for a job in here everything was a bit shit
2023-07-26 23:48:41 <ChaoticMist[m]> Because no one else will.
2023-07-26 23:49:05 <absta[m]> I've seen many people going burnout who are healthy otherwise, it could be a sign of being overworked imo
2023-07-26 23:49:15 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Who gives a fuck? If you feel bad, fuck it. No matter what kind of job it is..
2023-07-26 23:49:38 <absta[m]> So I believe you do need to see which case it is
2023-07-26 23:49:41 <liskin> And also the health insurance is tied to it.
2023-07-26 23:49:50 <absta[m]> Reality is harsh.
2023-07-26 23:50:24 <ChaoticMist[m]> absta[m]: Personally, if a work place allows people to get overworked then I am not participating in it.
2023-07-26 23:50:38 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Well, quit that too and just travel like you said you would?
2023-07-26 23:51:06 <liskin> (not US, so it's not critical, but I wanted to wrap up the diagnosis stuff and that needs the insurance)
2023-07-26 23:51:19 <ChaoticMist[m]> You won't have that ability forever..
2023-07-26 23:51:20 <absta[m]> True, but ehh.. those workplaces are just too common.
2023-07-26 23:51:20 <absta[m]> Hmmm
2023-07-26 23:51:20 <ChaoticMist[m]> absta[m]: Does not mean we should allow ourselves to be treated that way. If they are common then it means we enabled them.
2023-07-26 23:51:28 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Do you feel like it's helping or just a waste of time?
2023-07-26 23:52:02 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: my wife's academic career would get in trouble if we moved, so it's a last resort
2023-07-26 23:52:29 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: so far waste of time but that's probably expected
2023-07-26 23:52:34 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Do you think your wife would accept you travelling without her?
2023-07-26 23:52:36 <absta[m]> ChaoticMist[m]: Who are "we" though? Society is not monolithic, lots of people just follow the flow.
2023-07-26 23:52:40 <liskin> Just waiting and waiting
2023-07-26 23:52:51 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: I don't want to
2023-07-26 23:52:53 <ChaoticMist[m]> You can always take a break instead of moving
2023-07-26 23:52:58 <geekosaur> and I'm not sure it would help, you were having problems before you moved there
2023-07-26 23:53:17 <liskin> Were I?
2023-07-26 23:53:28 <geekosaur> yes
2023-07-26 23:53:34 <ChaoticMist[m]> geekosaur: Obviously
2023-07-26 23:53:45 <ChaoticMist[m]> Since that's just a form of escape
2023-07-26 23:53:47 <liskin> I mean kind of, maybe, but how the hell do you know? :-D
2023-07-26 23:54:54 <geekosaur> should I go back through logs? this is not the first time you've discussed your problems here
2023-07-26 23:54:54 <ChaoticMist[m]> Out of curiosity, did you experience any form of depressive thoughts when you were typing with us?
2023-07-26 23:55:16 <liskin> geekosaur: yeah but we moved at the end of 2019
2023-07-26 23:55:29 <ChaoticMist[m]> That's 4 years ago
2023-07-26 23:55:35 <ChaoticMist[m]> Not 2
2023-07-26 23:55:41 <liskin> So that's about a year before I got seriously involved with xmonad
2023-07-26 23:56:02 <liskin> Whatever happened before that you wouldn't be aware of
2023-07-26 23:56:34 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: probably not? Dunno how I'd tell.
2023-07-26 23:56:52 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Exactly, so there is something that is reminding you of your depression
2023-07-26 23:56:59 <ChaoticMist[m]> Nail that down and then just avoid it?
2023-07-26 23:57:00 <geekosaur> mm, I think you have your chronology wrong because 4q 2019 was around when the revert war happened
2023-07-26 23:57:36 <geekosaur> and I'm fairly certain because I was homeless and trying to deal with my own problems and just locked up when it happened and byorgey had to bail us out
2023-07-27 00:00:07 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: the answer is probably "work" but it's difficult to avoid because bills and rent
2023-07-27 00:00:46 <liskin> Yeah I know it's technically possible to avoid all that it's just quite a bit far off my comfort zone now :-)
2023-07-27 00:01:12 <ChaoticMist[m]> Understandable
2023-07-27 00:01:39 <ChaoticMist[m]> Have you tried setting up your own business or something?
2023-07-27 00:01:43 <liskin> geekosaur: I'm sure it was later. I didn't get involved with xmonad until after I quit my job at the start of the pandemic, and that was 2020
2023-07-27 00:03:09 <liskin> I think I tried something very vaguely resembling exploring whether freelance might be for me, ages ago, and concluded not.
2023-07-27 00:03:48 <liskin> Anyway, I need to sleep otherwise another work day will be even worse than it could be
2023-07-27 00:04:02 <ChaoticMist[m]> Goodnight!
2023-07-27 00:04:25 <liskin> Thanks for caring and trying to come up with ideas!
2023-07-27 00:04:52 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Don't mention it, we are here for everyone!
2023-07-27 00:05:17 <ChaoticMist[m]> Just remember that you are not alone in this world
2023-07-27 00:09:09 <ChaoticMist[m]> <geekosaur> "and I'm fairly certain because I..." <- How are you doing now? Hope everything is better with the housing issue you used to have
2023-07-27 00:10:07 <geekosaur[c]> I got housing little over 2 years ago I'm doing okay now
2023-07-27 00:11:30 <ChaoticMist[m]> Good to hear that!

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