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| 2025-09-09 13:30:09 | <tomsmeding> | for comparatively little pay |
| 2025-09-09 13:30:09 | <Guest89> | Why would it be stupid? |
| 2025-09-09 13:30:38 | <Guest89> | OK. I guess I'll do a masters instead. |
| 2025-09-09 13:30:38 | <merijn> | Most people like their mental health :p |
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| 2025-09-09 13:30:47 | <tomsmeding> | if you're lucky (or select well), you have an advisor to guide you through the process; if you're unlucky, you're mostly on your own in navigating that |
| 2025-09-09 13:30:50 | <Guest89> | Lol, mental health :D |
| 2025-09-09 13:31:11 | <tomsmeding> | Guest89: given what you're saying, it indeed sounds to me like what you should explore is doing an Electrical Engineering masters degree, and then finding a job with that |
| 2025-09-09 13:31:38 | <Guest89> | OK |
| 2025-09-09 13:31:43 | <tomsmeding> | a PhD can be very enriching too, for yoruself, but it's something that you should really want :p |
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| 2025-09-09 13:32:52 | <tomsmeding> | and about haskell: learning haskell (if you don't know it yet) is a good way (but an expensive way, time-wise) to strengthen your programming skills by expanding the toolbox you have for solving problems in programming and CS |
| 2025-09-09 13:33:06 | <Guest31> | OK |
| 2025-09-09 13:33:17 | <tomsmeding> | I'm not sure those skills are the most important ones if you want to pursue electrical engineering |
| 2025-09-09 13:33:35 | <tomsmeding> | if you want to do embedded programming, maybe -- but I'd focus on playing with cute hardware instead |
| 2025-09-09 13:33:39 | <Guest31> | Cool, I guess I'll prioritise learning C++ so I can get an embedded device programming job |
| 2025-09-09 13:33:49 | <tomsmeding> | getting an arduino to do fancy things, for example |
| 2025-09-09 13:34:03 | <tomsmeding> | (I know ~nothing about embedded programming :D) |
| 2025-09-09 13:34:33 | <tomsmeding> | merijn: thanks for asking the appropriate question, lol |
| 2025-09-09 13:34:51 | <merijn> | friends don't let friends do phds :p |
| 2025-09-09 13:35:54 | <tomsmeding> | some people grow by doing a phd |
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| 2025-09-09 13:35:56 | <tomsmeding> | _some_ |
| 2025-09-09 13:36:29 | <tomsmeding> | I did (am still doing -- 6 months to go), but it did also cost :p |
| 2025-09-09 13:38:13 | <Guest31> | Basically wanted a research job after a phd |
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| 2025-09-09 13:40:29 | <tomsmeding> | "research job" means: 1. teaching courses and supervising student theses; 2. applying for grants to be able to do more research; 3. finding and solving hard problems, by yourself or with collaborators; 4. writing your results up in the form of a paper with a strict page limit, having that rejected, trying again, maybe this time getting a published paper, and as a reward present your paper at a |
| 2025-09-09 13:40:31 | <tomsmeding> | conference in a 25min talk, of which 5min are questions |
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| 2025-09-09 13:40:47 | <tomsmeding> | the research can be super fun, but do not forget the rest |
| 2025-09-09 13:41:02 | <tomsmeding> | if you find research fun enough it can compensate for some of the other things |
| 2025-09-09 13:41:12 | <tomsmeding> | but if you _only_ find (3.) interesting, then perhaps it's not such a good idea |
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| 2025-09-09 13:41:50 | <darkling> | That was my mistake. :) |
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| 2025-09-09 13:42:05 | <darkling> | Although 1 was quite interesting, too. |
| 2025-09-09 13:42:06 | <tomsmeding> | if you'd like to spend your time building a product that people actually use, then skip academia and apply for a software development job (of some kind) |
| 2025-09-09 13:42:25 | <tomsmeding> | darkling: I'm not saying that all of these are bad! I like 1 too. |
| 2025-09-09 13:42:44 | <tomsmeding> | Still in my PhD so not much experience with 2, but I already know I'll hate it; 4 is so-so |
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| 2025-09-09 13:43:35 | <Guest31> | Actually that sounds heavenly. Not unlike how I am governing my life now as an undergrad. |
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| 2025-09-09 13:44:19 | <tomsmeding> | do you have people in your personal circle who are doing PhDs, preferably in some kind of computer-y discipline? |
| 2025-09-09 13:45:23 | <Guest31> | I studied in UCL for a while, then Dhaka for 5 years and then in Chittagong where I am doing my undergrad. No one in my circle is doing PhD but PhD inspiration comes from some members of the extended family |
| 2025-09-09 13:45:24 | <tomsmeding> | also: like in any other job, academia has grumpy people who are not enjoyable to be with |
| 2025-09-09 13:46:15 | <darkling> | And the usual shysters, chancers, fraudsters and climbers of the greasy pole. |
| 2025-09-09 13:47:36 | <tomsmeding> | well, in any case: my point about haskell stands; choosing a career path is a complicated thing that depends very much on what you want to do, what you are good at, what is achievable given where you currently are |
| 2025-09-09 13:49:00 | <tomsmeding> | if you have only a BSc in computer science, and you aren't very confident in your CS skills already, I'd recommend getting an MSc in CS or EE (electrical engineering) before trying to land a PhD |
| 2025-09-09 13:49:57 | <tomsmeding> | mind that research usually has a fairly theoretical slant to things, so not only on-the-ground coding skills matter, but also your skills for grappling with abstractions, theory behind systems and languages, algorithms and algorithm design, etc. |
| 2025-09-09 13:50:38 | <tomsmeding> | there is also experimental research, but that's typically still informed by theory |
| 2025-09-09 13:50:43 | <merijn> | You forgot management/planning skills :p |
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| 2025-09-09 13:51:03 | <tomsmeding> | right -- that depends on how much time your advisor has for you |
| 2025-09-09 13:51:15 | <tomsmeding> | if your advisor has lots of time for you, you can learn that on the job, I think |
| 2025-09-09 13:51:21 | <tomsmeding> | (at the cost of your mental energy) |
| 2025-09-09 13:51:36 | <tomsmeding> | (I got lucky with my advisor) |
| 2025-09-09 13:53:49 | <tomsmeding> | Guest31: hope that gave you some context; perhaps it somehow helps in finding/navigating a career path. I have to go now, good luck :) |
| 2025-09-09 13:54:44 | <Guest31> | thank you, it helps a lot, i shall focus on c++ projects now I guess |
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| 2025-09-09 14:16:24 | <kaol> | I think the real bug is somewhere in ghcjs-dom. Browsers use UTF-16 internally and it was an incidental result that the least significant byte of my "ö" test matched with latin1. When I tried it with unicode snowman instead, I got 0x03 instead which matches with UTF-16 unicode snowman's least significant byte. It's the browsers, every time. getResponseText is not up to the task apparently. |
| 2025-09-09 14:24:26 | <kaol> | This is getting rather too involved for me. I'm not quite sure where I should even open an issue about this. |
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| 2025-09-09 14:36:07 | <tomsmeding> | kaol: I don't have context but if you're passing a string from JS to haskell and getting only the least-significant bytes of codepoints, that sounds like a problem on the haskell side |
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| 2025-09-09 14:38:57 | <tomsmeding> | kaol: 𝅘𝅥𝅮 (U+1D161; https://tomsmeding.com/unicode#U+1D161 ) doesn't fit in two bytes |
| 2025-09-09 14:39:15 | <tomsmeding> | you may try that to see if you're getting the least-significant byte of the _codepoint_ or of the UTF-16 pairs |
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| 2025-09-09 14:50:14 | <kaol> | tomsmeding: https://github.com/haskell-servant/servant-jsaddle/issues/9 |
| 2025-09-09 14:58:15 | <EvanR> | utf-16 strikes again |
| 2025-09-09 14:59:23 | <EvanR> | oh, that issue would screw up utf-8 as well |
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| 2025-09-09 15:04:13 | <kaol> | tomsmeding: I got "a", that is 0x61, when I tried that one. |
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