Logs: freenode/#haskell
| 2021-04-29 16:12:25 | <joncol> | tdammers: What I find most difficult with Clojure is the maintenance/refactoring. Also adding features etc. So easy to make stupid mistakes that take too long to track down. |
| 2021-04-29 16:12:25 | <tdammers> | minoru_shiraeesh: the latter |
| 2021-04-29 16:13:04 | <kuribas> | joncol: maintanance is aweful in clojure. I find even now that we have a comprehensive test suite, pipelines, stuff still breaks often. |
| 2021-04-29 16:13:08 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | yeah, it was paul graham |
| 2021-04-29 16:13:12 | <joncol> | Especially when in a team of multiple programmers, each having their own preferences when it comes to what libraries to use etc. |
| 2021-04-29 16:14:00 | <kuribas> | joncol: haskell is more robust with a tiny test suite, than clojure with a comprehensive one. |
| 2021-04-29 16:14:08 | <tdammers> | clojure shares all the downsides of the rest of the "dynamic" bunch, but it cranks that up to 11 |
| 2021-04-29 16:14:46 | <tdammers> | you think monkey-patching is bad? here, have some macros. |
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| 2021-04-29 16:15:10 | <kuribas> | tdammers: I happily don't see that many macros in our clojure base |
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| 2021-04-29 16:15:27 | <tdammers> | kuribas: maybe you don't even notice them |
| 2021-04-29 16:15:29 | <kuribas> | tdammers: but the leniency is really annoying |
| 2021-04-29 16:16:19 | <joncol> | kuribas: What leniency you mean specifically? |
| 2021-04-29 16:16:55 | <kuribas> | joncol: nil punning, everything is a hashmap, ... |
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| 2021-04-29 16:17:13 | <kuribas> | in scheme, there is no nil punning, structures are quite strict, etc... |
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| 2021-04-29 16:25:33 | <maerwald> | kuribas: so, is it a servant based HTTP microsoverice? |
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| 2021-04-29 16:40:41 | <carbolymer> | I'm running ekg, and I have 16.5GB current memory residency and 12GB max residency - it does not make sense, doesn't it? |
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| 2021-04-29 16:41:08 | <carbolymer> | also top shows 9.1G usage, so how 16.5GB current residency is possible? |
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| 2021-04-29 16:57:06 | <Lycurgus> | looks like it's reporting something from the ghc rts which needn't map directly to OS resource reported in top |
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| 2021-04-29 17:01:12 | <Lycurgus> | hs peoples like the super static |
| 2021-04-29 17:01:27 | <Lycurgus> | memory comes in 16GB chunks igess |
| 2021-04-29 17:01:38 | <DigitalKiwi> | it is well known that maerwald hates haskell but not why they're still here ;( |
| 2021-04-29 17:02:31 | <monochrom> | I used to think that maerwald hated haskell. Then I learned that he made ghcup. |
| 2021-04-29 17:02:43 | <monochrom> | Also ghcup used to be a shell script but is now in Haskell. |
| 2021-04-29 17:03:09 | <monochrom> | In the end I concluded: maerwald : haskell :: me : humanity |
| 2021-04-29 17:03:23 | <DigitalKiwi> | i say write everything in haskell with the assumption that new people will have to maintain it and you'll end up better off; amataur haskell is still better than professional php lol |
| 2021-04-29 17:03:42 | <monochrom> | just a healthy dose of cynicism against certain ideals. |
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| 2021-04-29 17:04:33 | <DigitalKiwi> | https://twitter.com/ProgrammerDude/status/1081145066369044480 |
| 2021-04-29 17:04:44 | <DigitalKiwi> | "healthy" |
| 2021-04-29 17:04:45 | <monochrom> | "haskell is very statically safe, right? RIGHT?" is very much like "humans are very good-willed, right? RIGHT?" |
| 2021-04-29 17:05:07 | <monochrom> | even "humans are very intelligent" |
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| 2021-04-29 17:06:16 | <Lycurgus> | humongs are like babies at the wheel of a ferrari |
| 2021-04-29 17:06:31 | <catern> | does anyone have a good example of really old documents of people saying "functional programming is the future"? I want to replace the current citation I have in the third bullet in http://catern.com/iceberg.html which is mostly not about that |
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| 2021-04-29 17:08:55 | <monochrom> | I don't know whether Landin's paper "the next 700 programming languages" counts, but it comes close. |
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| 2021-04-29 17:09:19 | <monochrom> | Otherwise, it's only Internet fanatics who say that. |
| 2021-04-29 17:09:45 | <monochrom> | (So, IRC logs, blog posts, mailing lists, newsgroups.) |
| 2021-04-29 17:09:49 | <DigitalKiwi> | monochrom: that fact that humans are not intelligent as they think they are is why i am repulsed by the idea of writing, say, python |
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| 2021-04-29 17:10:18 | <liyang> | catern: “Why Functional Programming Matters” Hughes 1990? |
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| 2021-04-29 17:10:37 | <DigitalKiwi> | why your https bad :9 |
| 2021-04-29 17:11:03 | <catern> | liyang: hm, not old enough |
| 2021-04-29 17:11:23 | <maerwald> | DigitalKiwi: you should hear me talk about languages I actually hate :) |
| 2021-04-29 17:11:41 | <Lycurgus> | look for industry reviews of ML |
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