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2021-04-29 16:12:25 <joncol> tdammers: What I find most difficult with Clojure is the maintenance/refactoring. Also adding features etc. So easy to make stupid mistakes that take too long to track down.
2021-04-29 16:12:25 <tdammers> minoru_shiraeesh: the latter
2021-04-29 16:13:04 <kuribas> joncol: maintanance is aweful in clojure. I find even now that we have a comprehensive test suite, pipelines, stuff still breaks often.
2021-04-29 16:13:08 <minoru_shiraeesh> yeah, it was paul graham
2021-04-29 16:13:12 <joncol> Especially when in a team of multiple programmers, each having their own preferences when it comes to what libraries to use etc.
2021-04-29 16:14:00 <kuribas> joncol: haskell is more robust with a tiny test suite, than clojure with a comprehensive one.
2021-04-29 16:14:08 <tdammers> clojure shares all the downsides of the rest of the "dynamic" bunch, but it cranks that up to 11
2021-04-29 16:14:46 <tdammers> you think monkey-patching is bad? here, have some macros.
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2021-04-29 16:15:10 <kuribas> tdammers: I happily don't see that many macros in our clojure base
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2021-04-29 16:15:27 <tdammers> kuribas: maybe you don't even notice them
2021-04-29 16:15:29 <kuribas> tdammers: but the leniency is really annoying
2021-04-29 16:16:19 <joncol> kuribas: What leniency you mean specifically?
2021-04-29 16:16:55 <kuribas> joncol: nil punning, everything is a hashmap, ...
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2021-04-29 16:17:13 <kuribas> in scheme, there is no nil punning, structures are quite strict, etc...
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2021-04-29 16:25:33 <maerwald> kuribas: so, is it a servant based HTTP microsoverice?
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2021-04-29 16:40:41 <carbolymer> I'm running ekg, and I have 16.5GB current memory residency and 12GB max residency - it does not make sense, doesn't it?
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2021-04-29 16:41:08 <carbolymer> also top shows 9.1G usage, so how 16.5GB current residency is possible?
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2021-04-29 16:57:06 <Lycurgus> looks like it's reporting something from the ghc rts which needn't map directly to OS resource reported in top
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2021-04-29 17:01:12 <Lycurgus> hs peoples like the super static
2021-04-29 17:01:27 <Lycurgus> memory comes in 16GB chunks igess
2021-04-29 17:01:38 <DigitalKiwi> it is well known that maerwald hates haskell but not why they're still here ;(
2021-04-29 17:02:31 <monochrom> I used to think that maerwald hated haskell. Then I learned that he made ghcup.
2021-04-29 17:02:43 <monochrom> Also ghcup used to be a shell script but is now in Haskell.
2021-04-29 17:03:09 <monochrom> In the end I concluded: maerwald : haskell :: me : humanity
2021-04-29 17:03:23 <DigitalKiwi> i say write everything in haskell with the assumption that new people will have to maintain it and you'll end up better off; amataur haskell is still better than professional php lol
2021-04-29 17:03:42 <monochrom> just a healthy dose of cynicism against certain ideals.
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2021-04-29 17:04:33 <DigitalKiwi> https://twitter.com/ProgrammerDude/status/1081145066369044480
2021-04-29 17:04:44 <DigitalKiwi> "healthy"
2021-04-29 17:04:45 <monochrom> "haskell is very statically safe, right? RIGHT?" is very much like "humans are very good-willed, right? RIGHT?"
2021-04-29 17:05:07 <monochrom> even "humans are very intelligent"
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2021-04-29 17:06:16 <Lycurgus> humongs are like babies at the wheel of a ferrari
2021-04-29 17:06:31 <catern> does anyone have a good example of really old documents of people saying "functional programming is the future"? I want to replace the current citation I have in the third bullet in http://catern.com/iceberg.html which is mostly not about that
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2021-04-29 17:08:55 <monochrom> I don't know whether Landin's paper "the next 700 programming languages" counts, but it comes close.
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2021-04-29 17:09:19 <monochrom> Otherwise, it's only Internet fanatics who say that.
2021-04-29 17:09:45 <monochrom> (So, IRC logs, blog posts, mailing lists, newsgroups.)
2021-04-29 17:09:49 <DigitalKiwi> monochrom: that fact that humans are not intelligent as they think they are is why i am repulsed by the idea of writing, say, python
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2021-04-29 17:10:18 <liyang> catern: “Why Functional Programming Matters” Hughes 1990?
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2021-04-29 17:10:37 <DigitalKiwi> why your https bad :9
2021-04-29 17:11:03 <catern> liyang: hm, not old enough
2021-04-29 17:11:23 <maerwald> DigitalKiwi: you should hear me talk about languages I actually hate :)
2021-04-29 17:11:41 <Lycurgus> look for industry reviews of ML

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