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| 2020-10-19 10:37:42 | <maerwald> | kuribas: 8.6.5 has still massive problems on windows with long paths |
| 2020-10-19 10:37:48 | <maerwald> | but 8.10.2 is also broken |
| 2020-10-19 10:38:07 | <maerwald> | and the windows fixes won't get backported to 8.6.5 afais |
| 2020-10-19 10:42:47 | <__monty__> | How many versions back does active GHC support go? |
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| 2020-10-19 11:02:00 | <dminuoso> | __monty__: Judging from a recent thread on the mailing list, I'd say backporting happens as far as 8.2.3 |
| 2020-10-19 11:02:20 | <dminuoso> | Cant find any authoritative list of supported versions though |
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| 2020-10-19 11:05:24 | <dminuoso> | servant-client question. If I want to log the request made for debugging purposes, is there some premade tools for that? Or should I set my own managerModifyRequest in the ManagerSettings of http-client? |
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| 2020-10-19 11:06:42 | <merijn> | __monty__: Depends how much anyone cares to do the work |
| 2020-10-19 11:07:11 | <merijn> | __monty__: I don't think there's an official maintenance window for anything but the last release |
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| 2020-10-19 11:07:42 | <dminuoso> | That alone should make you wary of using 8.6.5 in the long term. |
| 2020-10-19 11:07:53 | <dminuoso> | There's two different notions of "stable" here. |
| 2020-10-19 11:08:07 | <merijn> | The maintenance window is "you get what you pay for" |
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| 2020-10-19 11:08:26 | <dminuoso> | There's "stable" meaning it's well tested and supposedly bug free, and there's "stable" meaning it's the supported versions that receives attention and prompt bug fixes. |
| 2020-10-19 11:08:27 | <merijn> | So, unless you pay someone to contribute to GHC and backport stuff for you... :p |
| 2020-10-19 11:08:32 | <dminuoso> | kuribas: ^- |
| 2020-10-19 11:09:10 | <merijn> | Which is fine |
| 2020-10-19 11:09:27 | hackage | splitmix 0.1.0.2 - Fast Splittable PRNG https://hackage.haskell.org/package/splitmix-0.1.0.2 (phadej) |
| 2020-10-19 11:09:38 | <merijn> | If your company relies on Haskell, maybe you *should* contribute to the ecosystem, rather than freeloading on volunteer labour |
| 2020-10-19 11:10:00 | <kuribas> | merijn: maybe you *should* just use java like everyone else. |
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| 2020-10-19 11:11:38 | <merijn> | If a company's opinion is "do all our support for free or we switch to Java", then I say, let them fuck off and switch to Java |
| 2020-10-19 11:12:34 | <kuribas> | I didn't say for free. |
| 2020-10-19 11:12:45 | <kuribas> | Companies are happy to pay good money for good tooling. |
| 2020-10-19 11:12:50 | <merijn> | kuribas: lol |
| 2020-10-19 11:13:02 | <kuribas> | But requiring them to develop or contribute to tooling is a big turn-off. |
| 2020-10-19 11:13:04 | <dminuoso> | Companies are generally not happy to pay good money. |
| 2020-10-19 11:13:11 | <dminuoso> | otoh nobody has ever been fired for buying cisco/ibm. |
| 2020-10-19 11:13:14 | <merijn> | So that's why all our infrastructure runs on free software maintained by unpaid people? |
| 2020-10-19 11:14:03 | <dminuoso> | merijn: Heh, its crazy isnt it. So many companies products rely on just glueing free software together. |
| 2020-10-19 11:14:21 | <merijn> | kuribas: Companies are happy to pay good money for *non-open source* tools |
| 2020-10-19 11:14:27 | <merijn> | Because they have no choice |
| 2020-10-19 11:14:48 | <kuribas> | not all of it :) |
| 2020-10-19 11:14:53 | <kuribas> | we use expensive vmware |
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| 2020-10-19 11:15:04 | <merijn> | Given the number of companies building stuff in Haskell, I don't see anyone paying phadej or contributing stuff to cabal-install |
| 2020-10-19 11:15:12 | <merijn> | But I do so people whining about them |
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| 2020-10-19 11:15:39 | <phadej> | merijn: IOHK pays |
| 2020-10-19 11:15:48 | <phadej> | merijn: in fact for all the work in 2020 |
| 2020-10-19 11:16:05 | <merijn> | phadej: That's good, but still only one out of probably hundreds :) |
| 2020-10-19 11:16:21 | <kuribas> | we pay for intellij licenses, so I don't see why we wouldn't pay for haskell tooling. |
| 2020-10-19 11:16:36 | <dminuoso> | phadej: Do they pay you directly? Or does the money go to some foundation? |
| 2020-10-19 11:16:37 | <merijn> | kuribas: Because you can't get intellij without paying for the license |
| 2020-10-19 11:16:53 | <phadej> | kuribas: cabal is more like `mvn`, it's not "tooling" per se |
| 2020-10-19 11:16:59 | <kuribas> | we can get eclipse for free... but intellij is just better |
| 2020-10-19 11:17:00 | <phadej> | or very low-level |
| 2020-10-19 11:17:07 | <merijn> | In general IOHK seems to contribute more than many others |
| 2020-10-19 11:17:21 | <merijn> | kuribas: Note how eclipse is open source and intellij isn't? |
| 2020-10-19 11:17:31 | <phadej> | dminuoso: IOHK pays Well-Typed for someone to work on Cabal |
| 2020-10-19 11:17:34 | <merijn> | You're just making my point for me ;) |
| 2020-10-19 11:17:57 | <phadej> | dminuoso: similarish setup how companies X and Y pay Well_Typed for someone to work on GHC |
| 2020-10-19 11:18:10 | <kuribas> | isn't FP complete doing some work on haskell infra? |
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| 2020-10-19 11:18:15 | <merijn> | If we made cabal-install closed source I'm sure we could have a well-funded company in no time and thus much more dedicated work |
| 2020-10-19 11:18:22 | <phadej> | kuribas: not as far as I'm aware |
| 2020-10-19 11:18:30 | <merijn> | Isn't FP complete mostly doing work on fracturing the infrastructure community? :p |
| 2020-10-19 11:18:33 | <phadej> | or well, you can say Stacakge is haskell infra |
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| 2020-10-19 11:18:47 | <phadej> | but it's more or less owned by FP complete, so you can say "on their infra" as well (IMO) |
| 2020-10-19 11:19:48 | <kuribas> | merijn: why not a closed source IDE, where the developpers also contribute to tooling and compilers? |
| 2020-10-19 11:20:27 | <sclv> | not enough users |
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| 2020-10-19 11:20:44 | <merijn> | Also, then all the beginners, hobbiests, etc. are left out |
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