Logs: freenode/#haskell
| 2020-11-24 21:14:13 | <merijn> | Plus, for bigger/more complicated setups you want some custom wrapping anyway |
| 2020-11-24 21:14:30 | <merijn> | maerwald: I'm guessing ghcup is orders of magnitude smaller than mine :p |
| 2020-11-24 21:14:37 | <aplainzetakind> | Isn't Data.PQueue.Max.deleteFindMax supposed to pop a largest element from the queue? |
| 2020-11-24 21:14:42 | <dminuoso> | The initial overhead is small, and you get robust parsing, a fine help screen and shell completion... |
| 2020-11-24 21:14:45 | <dminuoso> | And it scales well |
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| 2020-11-24 21:15:20 | <merijn> | Yeah, I'm willing to invest the tiny bit more code of optparse and be future proof for any expansion |
| 2020-11-24 21:15:25 | <dminuoso> | Perhaps optparse could need some additional combinators to bootstrap a miniature cli.. |
| 2020-11-24 21:15:28 | <dminuoso> | That could help |
| 2020-11-24 21:15:29 | <maerwald> | merijn: Main.hs (where all the parser stuff is) is 1.7kLOC |
| 2020-11-24 21:16:00 | <ezzieyguywuf> | WOW!!!! |
| 2020-11-24 21:16:02 | <maerwald> | most of it because brittany likes newlines |
| 2020-11-24 21:16:07 | <ezzieyguywuf> | i try to keep my source files smaller than that, lol |
| 2020-11-24 21:16:25 | <dminuoso> | maerwald: What's your point here? |
| 2020-11-24 21:16:33 | <dminuoso> | optparse-applicative is a library, eys |
| 2020-11-24 21:16:49 | <merijn> | I think I have about 2k worth of optparse parsing code, possibly more :p |
| 2020-11-24 21:16:51 | <maerwald> | my point is that it's less code in shell |
| 2020-11-24 21:17:01 | <maerwald> | which is an odd observation |
| 2020-11-24 21:17:07 | <merijn> | maerwald: But that's for about ~50 subcommands |
| 2020-11-24 21:17:10 | <sm[m]> | ezzieyguywuf: also cmdargs, docopt |
| 2020-11-24 21:17:15 | <merijn> | Across 3 executables |
| 2020-11-24 21:17:38 | <merijn> | I dislike cmdargs, ties your internal reprsentation to tightly to the external one |
| 2020-11-24 21:17:52 | <ezzieyguywuf> | sm[m]: saw cmdargs, that's what you're using in hledger :-P, haven't seen docopt though, I'll check it out. |
| 2020-11-24 21:18:25 | <maerwald> | haskell doesn't have a good alternative to optparse-applicative, but pythons click is much better |
| 2020-11-24 21:18:29 | <merijn> | ezzieyguywuf: docopt (and even cmdargs) imo only scale to really small commandlines |
| 2020-11-24 21:18:48 | <merijn> | oof |
| 2020-11-24 21:18:53 | <merijn> | Click is godawful >.> |
| 2020-11-24 21:18:55 | <dminuoso> | I found click to be frustrating |
| 2020-11-24 21:18:57 | <dminuoso> | Hah |
| 2020-11-24 21:18:59 | <maerwald> | it's the best |
| 2020-11-24 21:19:02 | <merijn> | I suspect maerwald values very different things than I do |
| 2020-11-24 21:19:17 | <maerwald> | I used it with coconut, it was just intuitive |
| 2020-11-24 21:19:19 | <merijn> | optparse is super reusable, which is great :> |
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| 2020-11-24 21:20:00 | <glguy> | Clint: neat, I got that notification :) |
| 2020-11-24 21:20:20 | <dminuoso> | python click is just tons of non-obvious decorators where it's not clear how they all interact |
| 2020-11-24 21:20:36 | <maerwald> | yes, you shouldn't know |
| 2020-11-24 21:21:06 | <dminuoso> | yes because why would you care to understand how components that you plug in interact with each other.. |
| 2020-11-24 21:21:30 | <maerwald> | dminuoso: that's defined by the API |
| 2020-11-24 21:21:34 | <maerwald> | you have to understand that |
| 2020-11-24 21:21:37 | <maerwald> | not the internals |
| 2020-11-24 21:21:40 | <maerwald> | I dont care about them |
| 2020-11-24 21:21:41 | <dminuoso> | It's also very non-composable |
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| 2020-11-24 21:22:22 | <maerwald> | that's python for you |
| 2020-11-24 21:22:33 | <Chousuke> | not having to understand the internals is all fine and good while things work :P |
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| 2020-11-24 21:22:36 | <maerwald> | Tried to fix that with coconut |
| 2020-11-24 21:22:47 | <maerwald> | But all it did was causing pain for the next guy maintaining my crap :p |
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| 2020-11-24 21:23:03 | <ezzieyguywuf> | i'm eating a coconut |
| 2020-11-24 21:23:03 | <dminuoso> | Let's just write a Haskell-to-Python compiler. |
| 2020-11-24 21:23:05 | <dminuoso> | In Python. |
| 2020-11-24 21:23:08 | <dminuoso> | For maximum pleasure |
| 2020-11-24 21:23:28 | <merijn> | maerwald: Right, but I value composability :p |
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| 2020-11-24 21:24:26 | <maerwald> | merijn: I value stuff that doesn't piss me off :p |
| 2020-11-24 21:24:41 | <merijn> | I don't believe that for one second |
| 2020-11-24 21:24:55 | <koz_> | dminuoso: Snaked for your pleasure? :P |
| 2020-11-24 21:24:57 | <merijn> | You seem pissed of at technology and libraries nearly 24/7 :p |
| 2020-11-24 21:25:11 | <merijn> | So if you value not being pissed off, you seem to be doing something wrong :p |
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| 2020-11-24 21:25:28 | <Chousuke> | I don't think there's anything related to computers that doesn't piss me off at least somewhat |
| 2020-11-24 21:26:07 | <merijn> | anyhoo, enough technology for tonight |
| 2020-11-24 21:26:37 | <maerwald> | merijn: I don't like stuff that leaks implementation details. Because there's too much of it, I can't be bothered with all of it. Just get it out of my sight :p |
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| 2020-11-24 21:27:53 | <maerwald> | coconut leaks hard too, though |
| 2020-11-24 21:28:07 | <Chousuke> | An abstraction leaking implementation details is not the same thing as an abstraction that's transparent (ie. understandable) though |
| 2020-11-24 21:28:23 | <maerwald> | ah, classic topic: which one is lens? |
| 2020-11-24 21:29:37 | <glguy> | DigitalKiwi: What versions of things do I not support that are causing glirc to need special treatment? |
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| 2020-11-24 21:31:28 | <aredirect> | Hi I want to take another look at haskell again, completely lost on which system to use |
| 2020-11-24 21:31:50 | <aredirect> | should i use cabal? haskell platform? distro packages? ghcup? stack? |
| 2020-11-24 21:32:12 | <triteraflops> | most distro packages basically just use cabal anyway |
| 2020-11-24 21:32:24 | <triteraflops> | I prefer distro packages because it's a one stop shop for updates |
| 2020-11-24 21:32:25 | <koz_> | aredirect: What OS are you on? |
| 2020-11-24 21:32:41 | <aredirect> | ubuntu, i dropped the idea of the distro packages before because of arch |
| 2020-11-24 21:32:47 | <dminuoso> | aredirect: Both cabal-install and stack are fine choices. They differ slightly. |
| 2020-11-24 21:32:50 | <koz_> | aredirect: Use ghcup and don't look back. |
| 2020-11-24 21:32:51 | <dminuoso> | Use ghcup to install them |
| 2020-11-24 21:33:15 | <DigitalKiwi> | glguy: random 1.2.0 i think |
| 2020-11-24 21:33:19 | <aredirect> | can I have a system wide default installation with ghcup? |
| 2020-11-24 21:33:25 | <maerwald> | aredirect: kind of |
| 2020-11-24 21:33:31 | <maerwald> | but with hacks |
| 2020-11-24 21:33:41 | <aredirect> | what I want is, having a system wide haskell where i can write scripts and run them |
| 2020-11-24 21:33:45 | <maerwald> | it's meant to be user-wide installation, where do you want to put it? |
| 2020-11-24 21:33:51 | <aredirect> | and another one that has an enviornment per project |
| 2020-11-24 21:34:20 | <aredirect> | but the mos annoying thing when used stack it keeps downloading and consuming disk sizes which is in my case not that big |
| 2020-11-24 21:34:21 | <triteraflops> | Ideally, pacman would have some kind of cabal integration, so that haskell applications can be searched for and installed with a pacman frontend and cabal backend |
| 2020-11-24 21:34:31 | <DigitalKiwi> | and let me see i think irc-core has something too but i have to build it |
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| 2020-11-24 21:34:43 | <dminuoso> | aredirect: That sounds like a curious requirements. |
| 2020-11-24 21:34:45 | <dminuoso> | What's the usecase |
| 2020-11-24 21:35:32 | <aredirect> | i develop in other languages e.g python which is available cross the system and when i want to develop a complete isolated project i fallback to virtualenv |
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