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2020-09-25 21:05:33 × merijn quits (~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2020-09-25 21:05:55 <dmwit> It says very clearly in the link that the dragon's fire is heatless.
2020-09-25 21:06:05 <dmwit> So of course throwing flour in the air doesn't kill us.
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2020-09-25 21:06:28 <monochrom> Oops.
2020-09-25 21:06:45 <monochrom> Does that still count as fire? heh
2020-09-25 21:07:00 <dmwit> Yeah, that's... sort of Sagan's conclusion, too.
2020-09-25 21:07:11 <dmwit> Does this even count as a dragon if there's no way to observe it being a dragon?
2020-09-25 21:07:30 <monochrom> It's like Tigger but s/tiger/dragon/
2020-09-25 21:07:31 × mu quits (~mu@unaffiliated/mu) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2020-09-25 21:08:21 <monochrom> http://www.vex.net/~trebla/photo/unorganized/dragon.jpg
2020-09-25 21:09:00 <dsal> Lazy IO is the best! My programs all run instantly! Sometimes takes a while to print the output, though.
2020-09-25 21:09:31 <monochrom> Um that's not lazy I/O. That's just output buffering.
2020-09-25 21:09:43 <monochrom> OK you were joking. Haha.
2020-09-25 21:10:00 <cheater> monochrom: it's not output buffering, his dot matrix printer is just a bit slow
2020-09-25 21:10:10 <monochrom> I do have students confused by output buffering. And it's a C course.
2020-09-25 21:10:20 <monochrom> hahaha
2020-09-25 21:10:53 <cheater> monochrom: if it's a C course, make sure to get the shellfish
2020-09-25 21:11:03 <monochrom> hahahaha
2020-09-25 21:11:38 <monochrom> The course is a unix course too, there is shell. I'll have to think how to turn shell into shellfish.
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2020-09-25 21:13:52 × noecho quits (~noecho@2a01:4f8:1c0c:80ee::4223) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
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2020-09-25 21:14:20 <dmwit> Oh, hell. I'm a professional programmer that does programming stuff for... well, not quite 8 hours a day ;-)... and I still occasionally get flummoxed by output buffering.
2020-09-25 21:15:14 <MarcelineVQ> The trick is to put a couple people between you and the problem.
2020-09-25 21:15:50 <c_wraith> so... input buffering?
2020-09-25 21:15:57 <dmwit> Ahhh, problem buffering! Why didn't I think of that?
2020-09-25 21:16:36 × heatsink quits (~heatsink@107-136-5-69.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
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2020-09-25 21:17:32 × wonko7 quits (~wonko7@2a01:e35:2ffb:7040:8c5f:831a:4acc:45dd) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2020-09-25 21:20:42 × hyperisco quits (~hyperisco@d192-186-117-226.static.comm.cgocable.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2020-09-25 21:20:45 <dsal> monochrom: Oh sorry, I was going for the one where I do all this awesome parallelism and the parallel functions compute the IO actions immediately, and then they all happen sequentially when the output is needed.
2020-09-25 21:21:41 <monochrom> Ah.
2020-09-25 21:21:57 hackage aeson-schemas 1.3.1 - Easily consume JSON data on-demand with type-safety https://hackage.haskell.org/package/aeson-schemas-1.3.1 (leapyear)
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2020-09-25 21:31:56 <cheater> monochrom: just use the C shell
2020-09-25 21:32:07 <monochrom> Ah, neato
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2020-09-25 21:32:34 <monochrom> Hey, I now recall that "fish shell" exists, too.
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2020-09-25 21:36:11 × dhil quits (~dhil@11.29.39.217.dyn.plus.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2020-09-25 21:37:50 × mu quits (~mu@unaffiliated/mu) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2020-09-25 21:41:56 <maerwald> it's nice
2020-09-25 21:42:02 × nyd quits (~nyd@unaffiliated/elysian) (Quit: nyd)
2020-09-25 21:42:33 <maerwald> finally someone figured out that shell is about ergonmics, not features
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2020-09-25 21:42:47 <maerwald> (when I need features, I switch to bash temporarily)
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2020-09-25 21:47:38 × heatsink quits (~heatsink@107-136-5-69.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
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2020-09-25 21:49:02 <monochrom> It's probably a programmer trait to prefer features to ergonomics, syntax to semantics.
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2020-09-25 21:49:43 <monochrom> or generally a human trait to prefer superficial to careful
2020-09-25 21:50:39 × cgfuh quits (~cgfuh@181.167.191.58) (Quit: WeeChat 2.9)
2020-09-25 21:51:24 <Cale> In the words of Bob the Angry Flower: "I can't drink *possible* beers, I need *actual* beers! Damn you, quantum physics!"
2020-09-25 21:51:30 <pie_> sm[m]: well, if you have any suggestions: <_aD> It's fascinating to see how different people's idea of "big" is in computing, and how they handle it.
2020-09-25 21:51:32 <pie_> whoops
2020-09-25 21:51:41 <pie_> sm[m]: https://github.com/python-parsy/parsy/issues/48
2020-09-25 21:53:22 × thir quits (~thir@p200300f27f0fc60094e773283d7bf825.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2020-09-25 21:57:00 <ddellacosta> omg I forgot about Bob the Angry Flower, thank you Cale
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2020-09-25 22:01:49 <dsal> I used to use tcsh a lot way back in the day and people mocked me for various scripting things you couldn't do in tcsh. I'm like... I write my scripts in bourne shell, but I don't hang out there.
2020-09-25 22:02:20 <dsal> A friend had me try nushell which is... an idea. But it's a bit ununixy and a big uphill battle.
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