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2021-03-03 16:40:11 <Philonous> merijn, Yeah, noticed right after I wrote it, sorry :>
2021-03-03 16:40:18 <monochrom> ezzieyguywuf: You cannot.
2021-03-03 16:40:32 <ezzieyguywuf> monochrom: is there a particular reason why?
2021-03-03 16:40:49 <ezzieyguywuf> I thought cabal, like, fixed all there dependency conflict issues by just storing things in separate sub directories
2021-03-03 16:40:59 <merijn> ezzieyguywuf: Well, what would that even mean?
2021-03-03 16:41:10 <edwardk> "free to a good home"
2021-03-03 16:41:11 <monochrom> Hrm, I don't know the old-random flag. But I still guess it means going with an old version of random.
2021-03-03 16:41:20 <newbie76> merijn thanks for the help, getting further along now
2021-03-03 16:41:23 <merijn> ezzieyguywuf: v2-build does, Setup.hs as used to package distro packages does not
2021-03-03 16:41:34 <ezzieyguywuf> merijn: yea, b/c random-1.2.0 has breaking changes, and so I may have some deps that haven't upgraded to the new random yet
2021-03-03 16:41:41 <merijn> ezzieyguywuf: Distro packages are installed in a single global database and all need to be compatible
2021-03-03 16:41:44 <ezzieyguywuf> so I could realistically need both old random and new random
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2021-03-03 16:41:57 <monochrom> I think 1.2's "break" changes are mild.
2021-03-03 16:42:01 <merijn> ezzieyguywuf: v2-build installs all of them and kinda "dynamically creates a per project database"
2021-03-03 16:42:08 <ezzieyguywuf> merijn: I'm trying this with cabal itself at the moment, not any packaging stuff
2021-03-03 16:42:19 <__minoru__shirae> edwardk: is monoidal io a thing?
2021-03-03 16:42:29 <__minoru__shirae> I mean using IO as a monoid?
2021-03-03 16:42:40 <merijn> ezzieyguywuf: "cabal install --lib" registers stuff in an (implicit) global database
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2021-03-03 16:42:55 <merijn> ezzieyguywuf: So the solution is, don't use "install --lib" ;)
2021-03-03 16:43:00 <ezzieyguywuf> lol!!!
2021-03-03 16:43:00 ixlun joins (~user@213.205.241.12)
2021-03-03 16:43:02 <monochrom> But generally it doesn't make sense for one build of QuickCheck (or one build of any library or exe) to use two builds of something.
2021-03-03 16:43:16 <edwardk> __minoru__shirae: instance Monoid a => Monoid (IO a) exists
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2021-03-03 16:43:19 <ezzieyguywuf> hm, let me try to work up an example using only cabal
2021-03-03 16:43:23 <monochrom> And note that I use the word "build". Not even "version". More anal than "version".
2021-03-03 16:43:28 <ezzieyguywuf> to see if I can duplicate the use-case I'm running in to in gentoo
2021-03-03 16:43:32 <merijn> ezzieyguywuf: Generally you just let "cabal build" in your project install things
2021-03-03 16:43:36 <ezzieyguywuf> b/c I bet cabal "Just Works™" , but I want to know how
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2021-03-03 16:44:07 <edwardk> __minoru__shirae: but it was acquired mostly as a '.io' as a trendy '.com' equivalent domain thing back when .io was a trendy .com equivalent.
2021-03-03 16:44:48 <merijn> edwardk: Unrelatedly, I'd probably recommend migrating domains to a less terrible registrar if possible >.>
2021-03-03 16:44:59 <edwardk> merijn: i already did for everything that mattered.
2021-03-03 16:45:08 <merijn> edwardk: Good :)
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2021-03-03 16:45:45 <ezzieyguywuf> namesilo
2021-03-03 16:46:03 <edwardk> i only looked at my godaddy account when someone snuck into my account and tried to transfer a gajillion domains out of it. it was painful enough to get things back that i'm in the process of just closing out the godaddy account, hence the 'free to a good home' bit for anything that seems someone might find it worth having, but not worth going through the trouble of moving for myself. =)
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2021-03-03 16:47:02 <edwardk> apparently godaddy requires email approval to transfer out a domain, which is the way i recalled it. However they _don't_ require email approval to add an extra delegated approved email user... who can then approve all the transfers.
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2021-03-03 16:47:35 <edwardk> (the account was set up in the time before 2fa was a thing, and apparently the password leaked by the same channel as my twitter account did, as both predated my use of a password manager)
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2021-03-03 16:48:02 <edwardk> ezzieyguywuf: i mostly use namecheap, which is where comonad.com is parked.
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2021-03-03 16:48:17 <edwardk> its meh, but its also already configured and forgotten ;)
2021-03-03 16:49:12 <ezzieyguywuf> nice
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2021-03-03 16:50:12 <ezzieyguywuf> (omg kmett spoke directly to me!!)
2021-03-03 16:50:12 ezzieyguywuf 's heart is all aflutter
2021-03-03 16:50:15 <edwardk> at one point i had something like 1000 domains, then godaddy all-but-silently let them all lapse because of an expired credit card, so they were already on my terrible vendor list.
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2021-03-03 16:51:19 <Philonous> 1000 domains, is squatting that profitable?
2021-03-03 16:51:21 edwardk gets back on topic for the channel.
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2021-03-03 16:51:47 <edwardk> Philonous: i wound up pretty far in the black. mainly because i got in when you could still get 3 letter domains, etc.
2021-03-03 16:51:47 <__minoru__shirae> edwardk: 1000 domains? you don't pay for a domain every year?
2021-03-03 16:52:29 <edwardk> i basically ran a dictionary through whois in 1995 or so and grabbed everything worth grabbing that i found.
2021-03-03 16:54:28 <edwardk> __minoru__shirae: A friend and I sold crucial.com for ~35k, which basically kept everything in the black ever since in total dollars. i'd let them bleed out slowly til around 2010 when i lost most of them in the aforementioned godaddy incident. So yeah, they'd bleed a bit of money every year, but in total? No problem.
2021-03-03 16:56:08 <Philonous> I think I pay like 15€pa. per domain, so 1k domains over 15 years would have amounted to, what, 225k€? Your registrar must have been much cheaper
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2021-03-03 16:56:58 <edwardk> Philonous: that wasn't the only one that sold =)
2021-03-03 16:57:07 <Philonous> Or you made a lot more than 35k in the nickle-and-dime domains
2021-03-03 16:57:08 <Philonous> Yeah
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2021-03-03 16:57:47 <edwardk> and I bled the list down, etc.
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2021-03-03 16:59:45 <falsifian> Does anyone know a way to get Cabal to output the time used to build each dependency when I run cabal build or cabal install? Start/end times for a parallel build would be even better.
2021-03-03 17:00:34 <edwardk> all right, since there's no nibbles here, will try twitter. more math folks there =)
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