Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
| 2022-04-09 13:38:51 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | <geekosaur> "that could happen if it doesn'..." <- Bang on! Although, the same problem happens for alacritty as well. In fact, the alacritty problem is even more bizzare - each time I hit the keybind for it, a new alacritty window opens (I have spawned alacritty with `alacritty --class alacritty-scratch`, and used `className` for matching against it). I have no clue what's going on. |
| 2022-04-09 13:39:27 | <geekosaur> | that one's more common; you might check with xprop what it actually has set |
| 2022-04-09 13:39:48 | <geekosaur> | I think you can make spotify work with DynamicPropertu |
| 2022-04-09 13:39:54 | <geekosaur> | *DynamicProperty |
| 2022-04-09 13:42:22 | <geekosaur> | use the example in there but put namedScratchpadManageHook instead of the explicit check for spotify |
| 2022-04-09 13:42:58 | <geekosaur> | (full name is XMonad.Hooks.DynamicProperty) |
| 2022-04-09 13:47:09 | <Solid> | mc47: there don't seem to be any good overnight trains available from my location and it's starting in the morning on sat so yeah probably |
| 2022-04-09 13:48:15 | <mc47> | alright cool |
| 2022-04-09 13:48:23 | <mc47> | I'll probably do the same, but just to see the city |
| 2022-04-09 13:51:14 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | <geekosaur> "that one's more common; you..." <- So I should put `dynamicPropertyChange "WM_CLASS" (namedScratchpadManageHook myScratchpads) <+> handleEventHook def` for `handleEventHook`? |
| 2022-04-09 13:51:45 | <geekosaur> | yes |
| 2022-04-09 13:55:24 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | geekosaur: Thank you so much! It works like a charm. As for the alacritty problem, I verified that the class name is being set alright. But even after the awesome fix that you mentioned, it still doesn't work :( |
| 2022-04-09 13:55:40 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | Perhaps this is an alacritty specific problem. |
| 2022-04-09 13:56:09 | <geekosaur> | dunno. a number of people here use alacritty but I don't know how many use it as a scratchpad |
| 2022-04-09 13:56:10 | <Solid> | DeepMajumder[m]: alacritty works just fine for me (without DynamicProperty, I should mention) |
| 2022-04-09 13:56:20 | <mc47> | same |
| 2022-04-09 13:56:29 | <geekosaur> | right, the DynamicProperty is for the Spotify scratchypad |
| 2022-04-09 13:56:47 | <mc47> | (haven't read all the logs yet, but I've been using it seamlessly for a long time) |
| 2022-04-09 13:58:01 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | myScratchpads :: [NamedScratchpad]... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/b510397dea4d963831abb97e527504746f6a34b7) |
| 2022-04-09 13:58:11 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | * ```myScratchpads :: \[NamedScratchpad\]... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/3c6368e9d412ce01897d4c341740909dcb4e938a) |
| 2022-04-09 13:58:28 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | * ```... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c13bf49b7c96ff32c3e8c307033cdb6a2ead34da) |
| 2022-04-09 13:58:58 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | * ```... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/11c6e0edfa48f646576e5dda79ebe9aafdc8d1e4) |
| 2022-04-09 13:59:29 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | Solid: So do you set the class name with `--class <class_name>` or some other method? |
| 2022-04-09 13:59:33 | <Solid> | DeepMajumder[m]: --class in alacritty sets the instance name (the first string in WM_CLASS) |
| 2022-04-09 13:59:41 | <Solid> | className queries the second string, however |
| 2022-04-09 14:00:10 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | Solid: Well, that makes sense for the behaviour. |
| 2022-04-09 14:00:11 | <Solid> | you want to use appName |
| 2022-04-09 14:00:46 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | Solid: Brilliant! Thank you so much! |
| 2022-04-09 14:03:16 | pantsu | is now known as mion |
| 2022-04-09 14:08:02 | <amenonsen> | i want to celebrate my return to xmonad with some time spent trying out a new contrib module. |
| 2022-04-09 14:09:14 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | amenonsen: That's nice!! I tried out scratchpad for the first time today, after returning to Xmonad after a year or so. And it works like a charm, thanks to all the help I got here. |
| 2022-04-09 14:09:59 | <geekosaur> | we're up over 300 contribs now, take your pick :) |
| 2022-04-09 14:10:41 | <amenonsen> | yes, i just need to skim the docs to find something likely. |
| 2022-04-09 14:11:11 | <geekosaur> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib |
| 2022-04-09 14:11:31 | <amenonsen> | (yes, i know, already looking there) |
| 2022-04-09 14:12:03 | <amenonsen> | fortunately, i'm fairly conservative in terms of the features i use, so i shouldn't have much trouble finding something shiny and new. |
| 2022-04-09 14:13:34 | <amenonsen> | oh, one thing i miss in my xmonad setup is that i use XMonad.Prompt.Pass, which matches paths only from the beginning, rather than doing a substring search. let me first go and see if there's some way to make it do that. |
| 2022-04-09 14:14:21 | <Solid> | there is! |
| 2022-04-09 14:14:44 | <geekosaur> | I think that's functionality pof Prompt, rather than of specific Prompt instances |
| 2022-04-09 14:14:48 | <Solid> | XMonad.Prompt.FuzzyMatch |
| 2022-04-09 14:16:17 | <amenonsen> | wow, thank you so much. |
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| 2022-04-09 14:34:44 | <amenonsen> | it works beautifully. |
| 2022-04-09 14:35:46 | <amenonsen> | now, what's this scratchpad business? |
| 2022-04-09 14:36:11 | <amenonsen> | DeepMajumder[m]: XMonad.Util.Scratchpad? what are you using it for? |
| 2022-04-09 14:37:08 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | amenonsen: It' |
| 2022-04-09 14:38:12 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | amenonsen: It's basically a "workspace" to contain windows which you want to temporarily show and hide. If you've used dropdown terminals, then scratchpads can be used to make them. |
| 2022-04-09 14:38:48 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/skkukuk/xmonad.hs#L56-L74 fwiw |
| 2022-04-09 14:38:52 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | I use it for that and to contain my spotify window. I reveal the window (which floats above everything else) to change songs and then hide it back. |
| 2022-04-09 14:38:55 | <amenonsen> | no, i haven't used them. is it for taking notes, or what? |
| 2022-04-09 14:39:06 | <geekosaur> | you can use it for that too |
| 2022-04-09 14:39:17 | <geekosaur> | hm, lemme dig out the one I used on my old desktop |
| 2022-04-09 14:39:51 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/pyanfar/xmonad.hs#L63-L111 |
| 2022-04-09 14:39:57 | <amenonsen> | ah, ok. that example is useful. i can imagine calling up a calculator that way (right now i just open a terminal and run bc). |
| 2022-04-09 14:41:18 | <DeepMajumder[m]> | amenonsen: Yeah, basically, anything that you want to grab when you want and then hide it, but persist it in the background. |
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| 2022-04-09 15:27:20 | <liskin> | Solid, mc47: I haven't made any specific plans yet as I don't tend to plan that much ahead, but given what Solid said I'd be sleep deprived if I tried to arrive on Saturday :-) |
| 2022-04-09 15:28:13 | <liskin> | Might want to visit some friends in Zurich as well |
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| 2022-04-09 17:29:54 | <amenonsen> | is there a way to hide a workspace and everything in it? |
| 2022-04-09 17:31:12 | <amenonsen> | (or anything reasonably approximating that—i just have a "work" workspace, and i want to be able to skip it in my prevWS/nextWS/etc. operations during the weekend) |
| 2022-04-09 17:46:42 | <amenonsen> | described that way, it sounds like i should be able to just write functions that wrap {prev,next}WS and skip a particular index based on some flag (though that's well beyond my current familiarity with haskell). |
| 2022-04-09 17:48:44 | <amenonsen> | XMonad.Actions.CycleWS says "to only cycle through some subset of workspaces". maybe i should investigate that first. |
| 2022-04-09 17:50:06 | <fizzie> | Given how popular XMonad.Util.NamedScratchpad is, and given that you generally never want to actually see the "NSP" workspace it uses, I would imagine for most things there's some way to ignore that, which (with sufficient effort) could be extended for your use case as well. |
| 2022-04-09 17:50:18 | <fizzie> | XMonad.Actions.DynamicWorkspaceOrder might work for you as well. |
| 2022-04-09 17:50:28 | <fizzie> | From the description: "Remember a dynamically updateable ordering on workspaces, together with tools for using this ordering with XMonad.Actions.CycleWS and XMonad.Hooks.StatusBar.PP." |
| 2022-04-09 17:51:28 | <amenonsen> | fizzie: yes, i was just looking at ignoringWSs: "Cycle through workspaces that are not in the given list. This could, for example, be used for skipping the workspace reserved for XMonad.Util.NamedScratchpad" |
| 2022-04-09 17:53:02 | <amenonsen> | hmm. |
| 2022-04-09 17:54:33 | <fizzie> | Curiously enough, though, skimming the XMonad.Actions.DynamicWorkspaceOrder there seems to be methods to swap workspaces in the dynamic order, to change them, to remove them, but _not_ to add them. (I was thinking you could use that and call its `removeName` to drop the work workspace for the weekend, but then I don't know how you'd get it back.) |
| 2022-04-09 17:54:58 | <fizzie> | But maybe the instructions on how to use that custom ordering with a statusbar PP and with CycleWS will be useful anyway. |
| 2022-04-09 17:55:04 | <amenonsen> | there's mention of "hiddenWS" to cycle through non-visible workspaces. but i can't figure out how a workspace becomes non-visible. |
| 2022-04-09 17:55:52 | <amenonsen> | failing that, though, i'm thinking maybe i can use DWO's swap method to move my work workspace to the end of the list, and use CycleWS's ignoreWSs to ignore the last two workspaces, whatever they are (assuming one of them is the named scratchpad one). |
| 2022-04-09 17:56:57 | <fizzie> | I think `ignoreWSs` ignores by name. So you wouldn't have to put them anywhere specific in the order. |
| 2022-04-09 17:57:12 | <amenonsen> | yeah, but how to un-ignore during the week? |
| 2022-04-09 17:58:13 | <fizzie> | Oh, right. Well, yeah. You could stuff the list of currently ignored workspaces into XMonad.Util.ExtensibleState, and have your cycling keybindings pull it from there. |
| 2022-04-09 17:59:01 | <amenonsen> | do you happen to know anything about hiddenWS? does that just mean workspaces that aren't the one you're looking at? |
| 2022-04-09 17:59:31 | <fizzie> | Yes, I believe "hidden" in that context usually just means "not currently visible on any monitor", not specifically hidden ones. |
| 2022-04-09 17:59:46 | <amenonsen> | right, ok. |
| 2022-04-09 18:00:12 | <fizzie> | (ExtensibleState isn't super-simple to use, but it's got an example for storing a list of integers, which is not too far from storing a list of strings instead.) |
| 2022-04-09 18:01:44 | <amenonsen> | hmm. |
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