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2022-03-29 19:01:06 <fizzie> "Provides IfMax layout, which will run one layout if there are maximum N windows on workspace, and another layout, when number of windows is greater than N."
2022-03-29 19:01:17 <Solid> ah, sounds like it
2022-03-29 19:02:04 <carloratm> thank you!
2022-03-29 19:02:23 <fizzie> So... `IfMax 1 (noBorders Full) (avoidStruts SomethingElse)` or something.
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2022-03-29 20:23:38 <geekosaur> sounds right to me. (I thought of IfMax immediately on reading that.of course it's an hour later…)
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2022-03-29 21:24:21 <abastro[m]> twiclo: twiclo
2022-03-29 21:24:54 <abastro[m]> Sorry for accidental ping.
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2022-03-30 01:19:57 <Steven_M> Hi, does xmonad have wayland support?
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2022-03-30 02:30:36 <abhixec> Steven_M: No, but it is being thought about: https://github.com/sponsors/xmonad
2022-03-30 02:31:58 <Steven_M> abhixec: okay, thanks :-)
2022-03-30 02:32:43 <abastro[m]> I think they are not a fan of idea to work on it tho
2022-03-30 02:42:51 <Steven_M> abastro[m]: well, rightly or wrongly wayland's coming weather we like it or not.
2022-03-30 02:43:19 <abastro[m]> Hm, wdym wayland is coming?
2022-03-30 02:43:58 <Steven_M> wdym?
2022-03-30 02:44:15 <abastro[m]> What do you mean by "wayland is coming?"
2022-03-30 02:46:04 <Steven_M> Sooner or later xorg won't be supported any more.
2022-03-30 02:46:19 <Steven_M> by distros
2022-03-30 02:58:43 <abastro[m]> Uh, would it?
2022-03-30 02:58:53 <abastro[m]> Why is it tho
2022-03-30 03:02:56 <abastro[m]> I mean, how could such a drastic shift of standard happen
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2022-03-30 04:19:33 <Steven_M> abastro[m]: Sorry, I was AFK
2022-03-30 04:24:22 <Steven_M> abastro[m]: I just thought that with the rise in popularity of wayland, xorg could soon be superseded.
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2022-03-30 05:17:02 <abastro[m]> I see, I just see it the other way.
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2022-03-30 06:28:51 <Steven_M> abastro[m]: Fair enough, I hope you're right. :)
2022-03-30 06:37:00 <Solid> Steven_M: wayland will certainly gain momentum, but xorg will _at least_ be maintained until 2030 (this is the EOL of RHEL *some-number* that still ships with full xorg support)
2022-03-30 06:37:11 <Solid> so you definitely don't need to worry about it going away
2022-03-30 06:37:38 <tdammers> also: it's open source, so it's not like it'll disappear. it's just that people will eventually stop working on it.
2022-03-30 06:37:49 <Solid> and while it is gaining momentum, the raw usage is still far behind xorg in any usage statistic that I could find
2022-03-30 06:38:22 <Solid> so yes, we should think about which direction we would like to go in (as we say on the sponsor page), but thankfully it's not like we need to make that decision tomorrow :)
2022-03-30 06:39:47 <abastro[m]> Oh, if raw usage is still quite behind, it is not yet time to worry
2022-03-30 06:39:58 <abastro[m]> Unless, you know, you are investing stock with the info
2022-03-30 06:41:35 <Steven_M> Solid: tdammers: those are some really good points, thank you. :)
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2022-03-30 09:37:14 <geekosaur> it's not so much that we don't want to work on it, as we're a bunch of X11 experts with 0 knowledge of wayland
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2022-03-30 09:37:40 <geekosaur> what we know of it is basically gleaned from wlroots-based stuff, and wlroots is apparently unstable
2022-03-30 09:38:20 <abastro[m]> Wlroots?
2022-03-30 09:38:22 <geekosaur> so we're not sure that's the way to go. which is one of the reasons we're trying to get enough income to hire someone who knows what they're doing wayland-wise
2022-03-30 09:38:53 <geekosaur> https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots
2022-03-30 09:39:07 <geekosaur> used by sway and waymonad, at least
2022-03-30 09:39:12 <abastro[m]> Ohh
2022-03-30 09:39:23 <abastro[m]> I see, hmm
2022-03-30 09:39:41 <abastro[m]> Hiring someone, sounds like xmonad would like to become a company
2022-03-30 09:40:02 <geekosaur> maybe hiring is the wrong word
2022-03-30 09:40:23 <geekosaur> but it's certain none of us is up to writing a wayland version of xmonad, so we'd have to pay someone else to do it
2022-03-30 09:41:10 <abastro[m]> Waymonad company, providing tiling window solutions at cheap cost
2022-03-30 09:46:13 <Steven_M> geekosaur: Good luck with fund raising. :-)
2022-03-30 09:47:26 <abastro[m]> Btw how much funding was xmonad able to raise
2022-03-30 09:47:56 <geekosaur> around $800/month coming in, I think
2022-03-30 09:48:56 Steven_M has to go
2022-03-30 09:49:15 <Steven_M> night all :-)
2022-03-30 09:49:38 <davve> maybe porting xmonad is too ambitious
2022-03-30 09:49:57 <davve> afaik xmonad was a haskell port of dwm
2022-03-30 09:50:08 <geekosaur> yes
2022-03-30 09:50:35 <geekosaur> and it wouldn't be a port as such: xmonad's innards are too tightly tied to Xlib. that's why we couldn't even move to xcb
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2022-03-30 09:52:11 <tdammers> "port", as in, "rewrite"
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2022-03-30 10:02:48 <abastro[m]> Oh no, tight coupling :<
2022-03-30 10:03:21 <abastro[m]> Btw interesting that even $800/month was gathered
2022-03-30 10:03:32 <abastro[m]> Where is it being used currently?
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2022-03-30 10:08:17 <geekosaur> currently it's just gathering (we're using opencollective so they're holding it for us), we're still discussing where to use it
2022-03-30 10:09:01 <abastro[m]> Wow
2022-03-30 10:09:11 <abastro[m]> How long have you been gathering btw
2022-03-30 10:09:33 <geekosaur> only a couple months
2022-03-30 10:09:46 <geekosaur> and it hasn't been $800the whole time
2022-03-30 10:11:45 <abastro[m]> Oh, so that's an achievement!
2022-03-30 10:11:58 <abastro[m]> (Unless you don't mean it decreased :/ )
2022-03-30 10:12:24 <abastro[m]> s/don't//
2022-03-30 10:20:21 <geekosaur> no, it's been slowly growing
2022-03-30 10:23:27 <abastro[m]> Yay!

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