Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
| 2022-03-29 19:01:06 | <fizzie> | "Provides IfMax layout, which will run one layout if there are maximum N windows on workspace, and another layout, when number of windows is greater than N." |
| 2022-03-29 19:01:17 | <Solid> | ah, sounds like it |
| 2022-03-29 19:02:04 | <carloratm> | thank you! |
| 2022-03-29 19:02:23 | <fizzie> | So... `IfMax 1 (noBorders Full) (avoidStruts SomethingElse)` or something. |
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| 2022-03-29 20:23:38 | <geekosaur> | sounds right to me. (I thought of IfMax immediately on reading that.of course it's an hour later…) |
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| 2022-03-29 21:24:21 | <abastro[m]> | twiclo: twiclo |
| 2022-03-29 21:24:54 | <abastro[m]> | Sorry for accidental ping. |
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| 2022-03-30 01:19:57 | <Steven_M> | Hi, does xmonad have wayland support? |
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| 2022-03-30 02:30:36 | <abhixec> | Steven_M: No, but it is being thought about: https://github.com/sponsors/xmonad |
| 2022-03-30 02:31:58 | <Steven_M> | abhixec: okay, thanks :-) |
| 2022-03-30 02:32:43 | <abastro[m]> | I think they are not a fan of idea to work on it tho |
| 2022-03-30 02:42:51 | <Steven_M> | abastro[m]: well, rightly or wrongly wayland's coming weather we like it or not. |
| 2022-03-30 02:43:19 | <abastro[m]> | Hm, wdym wayland is coming? |
| 2022-03-30 02:43:58 | <Steven_M> | wdym? |
| 2022-03-30 02:44:15 | <abastro[m]> | What do you mean by "wayland is coming?" |
| 2022-03-30 02:46:04 | <Steven_M> | Sooner or later xorg won't be supported any more. |
| 2022-03-30 02:46:19 | <Steven_M> | by distros |
| 2022-03-30 02:58:43 | <abastro[m]> | Uh, would it? |
| 2022-03-30 02:58:53 | <abastro[m]> | Why is it tho |
| 2022-03-30 03:02:56 | <abastro[m]> | I mean, how could such a drastic shift of standard happen |
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| 2022-03-30 04:19:33 | <Steven_M> | abastro[m]: Sorry, I was AFK |
| 2022-03-30 04:24:22 | <Steven_M> | abastro[m]: I just thought that with the rise in popularity of wayland, xorg could soon be superseded. |
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| 2022-03-30 05:17:02 | <abastro[m]> | I see, I just see it the other way. |
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| 2022-03-30 06:28:51 | <Steven_M> | abastro[m]: Fair enough, I hope you're right. :) |
| 2022-03-30 06:37:00 | <Solid> | Steven_M: wayland will certainly gain momentum, but xorg will _at least_ be maintained until 2030 (this is the EOL of RHEL *some-number* that still ships with full xorg support) |
| 2022-03-30 06:37:11 | <Solid> | so you definitely don't need to worry about it going away |
| 2022-03-30 06:37:38 | <tdammers> | also: it's open source, so it's not like it'll disappear. it's just that people will eventually stop working on it. |
| 2022-03-30 06:37:49 | <Solid> | and while it is gaining momentum, the raw usage is still far behind xorg in any usage statistic that I could find |
| 2022-03-30 06:38:22 | <Solid> | so yes, we should think about which direction we would like to go in (as we say on the sponsor page), but thankfully it's not like we need to make that decision tomorrow :) |
| 2022-03-30 06:39:47 | <abastro[m]> | Oh, if raw usage is still quite behind, it is not yet time to worry |
| 2022-03-30 06:39:58 | <abastro[m]> | Unless, you know, you are investing stock with the info |
| 2022-03-30 06:41:35 | <Steven_M> | Solid: tdammers: those are some really good points, thank you. :) |
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| 2022-03-30 09:37:14 | <geekosaur> | it's not so much that we don't want to work on it, as we're a bunch of X11 experts with 0 knowledge of wayland |
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| 2022-03-30 09:37:40 | <geekosaur> | what we know of it is basically gleaned from wlroots-based stuff, and wlroots is apparently unstable |
| 2022-03-30 09:38:20 | <abastro[m]> | Wlroots? |
| 2022-03-30 09:38:22 | <geekosaur> | so we're not sure that's the way to go. which is one of the reasons we're trying to get enough income to hire someone who knows what they're doing wayland-wise |
| 2022-03-30 09:38:53 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots |
| 2022-03-30 09:39:07 | <geekosaur> | used by sway and waymonad, at least |
| 2022-03-30 09:39:12 | <abastro[m]> | Ohh |
| 2022-03-30 09:39:23 | <abastro[m]> | I see, hmm |
| 2022-03-30 09:39:41 | <abastro[m]> | Hiring someone, sounds like xmonad would like to become a company |
| 2022-03-30 09:40:02 | <geekosaur> | maybe hiring is the wrong word |
| 2022-03-30 09:40:23 | <geekosaur> | but it's certain none of us is up to writing a wayland version of xmonad, so we'd have to pay someone else to do it |
| 2022-03-30 09:41:10 | <abastro[m]> | Waymonad company, providing tiling window solutions at cheap cost |
| 2022-03-30 09:46:13 | <Steven_M> | geekosaur: Good luck with fund raising. :-) |
| 2022-03-30 09:47:26 | <abastro[m]> | Btw how much funding was xmonad able to raise |
| 2022-03-30 09:47:56 | <geekosaur> | around $800/month coming in, I think |
| 2022-03-30 09:48:56 | Steven_M | has to go |
| 2022-03-30 09:49:15 | <Steven_M> | night all :-) |
| 2022-03-30 09:49:38 | <davve> | maybe porting xmonad is too ambitious |
| 2022-03-30 09:49:57 | <davve> | afaik xmonad was a haskell port of dwm |
| 2022-03-30 09:50:08 | <geekosaur> | yes |
| 2022-03-30 09:50:35 | <geekosaur> | and it wouldn't be a port as such: xmonad's innards are too tightly tied to Xlib. that's why we couldn't even move to xcb |
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| 2022-03-30 09:52:11 | <tdammers> | "port", as in, "rewrite" |
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| 2022-03-30 10:02:48 | <abastro[m]> | Oh no, tight coupling :< |
| 2022-03-30 10:03:21 | <abastro[m]> | Btw interesting that even $800/month was gathered |
| 2022-03-30 10:03:32 | <abastro[m]> | Where is it being used currently? |
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| 2022-03-30 10:08:17 | <geekosaur> | currently it's just gathering (we're using opencollective so they're holding it for us), we're still discussing where to use it |
| 2022-03-30 10:09:01 | <abastro[m]> | Wow |
| 2022-03-30 10:09:11 | <abastro[m]> | How long have you been gathering btw |
| 2022-03-30 10:09:33 | <geekosaur> | only a couple months |
| 2022-03-30 10:09:46 | <geekosaur> | and it hasn't been $800the whole time |
| 2022-03-30 10:11:45 | <abastro[m]> | Oh, so that's an achievement! |
| 2022-03-30 10:11:58 | <abastro[m]> | (Unless you don't mean it decreased :/ ) |
| 2022-03-30 10:12:24 | <abastro[m]> | s/don't// |
| 2022-03-30 10:20:21 | <geekosaur> | no, it's been slowly growing |
| 2022-03-30 10:23:27 | <abastro[m]> | Yay! |
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