Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
| 2021-11-25 16:03:08 | <Vermoot> | Probably yeah |
| 2021-11-25 16:03:25 | <Solid> | well, the other option is to have a lot of open PRs sitting around that are more or less clear to never become active again (like what we have in contrib right now) |
| 2021-11-25 16:04:19 | <Vermoot> | Maybe a better approach in this case would be to create a new issue referencing this PR? |
| 2021-11-25 16:06:51 | <liskin> | Solid: there aren't that many dead prs in contrib |
| 2021-11-25 16:07:07 | <Vermoot> | Unrelated: Is it a known issue that some changes in my config don't do anything upon recompiling, until I change my layoutHook? |
| 2021-11-25 16:07:23 | <liskin> | Except for the really old ones |
| 2021-11-25 16:07:24 | <Vermoot> | Sometimes I need to comment out a line, recompile, then uncomment the line and recompile |
| 2021-11-25 16:07:52 | <Solid> | I would count at least the bottom 5 as being dead |
| 2021-11-25 16:08:18 | <liskin> | Yeah those probably yes |
| 2021-11-25 16:08:21 | <geekosaur> | xmonad can't tell what layout changes come from code and what from runtime messages,m so you need to mod-shift-space to tell it that yes, you really want it to start over |
| 2021-11-25 16:08:56 | <liskin> | The rest I hoped to deal with, but there's just more coming in than I can do :-( |
| 2021-11-25 16:08:56 | <geekosaur> | this will also lose you anything you did with mod-j/mod-k/mod-./etc. |
| 2021-11-25 16:09:04 | <Solid> | actually, those + #454 since that person was keen to open another PR after I closed the old one but never gave me any reproducer :/ |
| 2021-11-25 16:09:18 | <geekosaur> | and my sister's here so happy thanksgiving for those who celebrate and I'll see you later for those that don't |
| 2021-11-25 16:09:40 | <Solid> | have fun :) |
| 2021-11-25 16:10:19 | liskin | has no idea what Thanksgiving is specifically but do enjoy any holiday/family time! :-) |
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| 2021-11-25 16:27:21 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | I've got to say that this is the least toxic Matrix channel on Matrix, thank you everyone for being so kind, although I dont celebrate christmas, I wish the best for everyone |
| 2021-11-25 16:28:31 | <Vermoot> | Uh, sir, this is an IRC channel |
| 2021-11-25 16:28:35 | <Vermoot> | :D |
| 2021-11-25 16:28:59 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | s / aithough / although / (I have the shittest flu rn so forgive my spelling lol) |
| 2021-11-25 16:28:59 | <Vermoot> | (I should get into matrix, I really find IRC outdated) |
| 2021-11-25 16:31:57 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | I thought I saw an i but it seems like I spelt it right anyway, wtf |
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| 2021-11-25 16:39:43 | <liskin> | I'd say something about Matrix but then we might not be the least toxic anyway more :-D |
| 2021-11-25 16:39:55 | <liskin> | *any |
| 2021-11-25 16:41:28 | <thonoht[m]> | Isn't this a matrix channel linked to irc? Last I knew irc doesn't have read receipts |
| 2021-11-25 16:42:42 | <Vermoot> | liskin, I'm interested in reading your criticisms of matrix |
| 2021-11-25 16:42:55 | <liskin> | We like to think about it as an IRC channel linked to Matrix but it probably doesn't make much difference |
| 2021-11-25 16:43:20 | <liskin> | Vermoot: I'm extremely unhappy about the client landscape |
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| 2021-11-25 16:45:05 | <liskin> | Vermoot: I'm used to IRC clients which come in all flavors including stuff like weechat with hundreds of settings and hundreds of 3rd party scripts, and most IRC clients have seen decades of development, but for Matrix it's just sooo immature |
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| 2021-11-25 16:49:15 | <Solid> | for most contributors, it's better to think of it as an IRC channel linked to matrix, anyways :> |
| 2021-11-25 16:51:19 | <thonoht[m]> | Time to start a Haskell matrix client 😎 |
| 2021-11-25 16:52:28 | <Solid> | I'm waiting for ement.el to become usable, personally |
| 2021-11-25 16:52:37 | <Solid> | but really IRC is just so comfortable |
| 2021-11-25 16:52:43 | <thonoht[m]> | I'm doing fine in the Element website/ Android app though, not really into modding my chat clients that much anymore |
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| 2021-11-25 16:54:11 | <vermoot[m]> | Hello? |
| 2021-11-25 16:54:22 | <Solid> | hi |
| 2021-11-25 16:54:24 | <vermoot[m]> | Ah, nice |
| 2021-11-25 16:54:49 | <liskin> | People say I'd get used to it. I've used the Discord web client for over a year and it's still massively annoying, even despite having user.css |
| 2021-11-25 16:54:51 | <thonoht[m]> | Matrix now? |
| 2021-11-25 16:55:04 | <vermoot[m]> | See, one thing that immediately makes this better is: I can see the messages that were here when I wasn't. I know there's logs, but this is much more convenient |
| 2021-11-25 16:55:19 | <thonoht[m]> | Heh. Yea |
| 2021-11-25 16:55:28 | <Solid> | this is just someone else hosting a bouncer for you :> |
| 2021-11-25 16:55:54 | <Vermoot> | I mean, maybe |
| 2021-11-25 16:56:03 | <Vermoot> | That doesn't take anything away from it though |
| 2021-11-25 16:56:18 | <thonoht[m]> | I shut down my bouncer last year. Nice that matrix does this for us |
| 2021-11-25 16:56:45 | <liskin> | My brain is simply incompatible with this web crap. It's an accessibility issue, always has been, but people don't think about it as such. People think accessibility is just for the blind and physically disabled, but it's not. |
| 2021-11-25 16:57:23 | <vermoot[m]> | The bridge doesn't seem to be working very well though? I can see some messages on IRC that don't appear here |
| 2021-11-25 16:58:13 | <Solid> | well, that would be bad |
| 2021-11-25 16:58:21 | <thonoht[m]> | Oh, I would never know, as I am only here |
| 2021-11-25 16:59:08 | <liskin> | vermoot[m]: it's delayed today |
| 2021-11-25 16:59:18 | vermoot[m] | uploaded an image: (409KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QvoTZRmhKxMnJsIZRohMJGrB/2021-11-25-175847_3600x1080_scrot.png > |
| 2021-11-25 16:59:38 | <liskin> | Like dozens of seconds delayed :-( |
| 2021-11-25 17:00:06 | <Solid> | liskin: if it would make people listen to you more, feel free to phrase it as an issue about the blind |
| 2021-11-25 17:00:43 | <thonoht[m]> | Yeah, I didn't see that accessibility message either |
| 2021-11-25 17:00:43 | <Solid> | my phd advisor is blind (well, legally blind, he can still see) and he's _very_ enthusiastic about CLI software |
| 2021-11-25 17:00:58 | <Solid> | because nothing else scales as well |
| 2021-11-25 17:01:53 | <thonoht[m]> | Yeah, I enjoy the convenience |
| 2021-11-25 17:02:07 | <liskin> | Interesting, I wonder if other blind users feel the same |
| 2021-11-25 17:02:19 | <vermoot[m]> | Yeah that bouncer message was a WHILE ago thonoht |
| 2021-11-25 17:02:43 | <thonoht[m]> | Hmm |
| 2021-11-25 17:02:52 | <vermoot[m]> | matrix > IRC is instant, but IRC > matrix takes several minutes to happen right now |
| 2021-11-25 17:02:55 | <thonoht[m]> | As a response to my bouncer message? |
| 2021-11-25 17:02:59 | <liskin> | I'd expect web stuff to have caught up with accessibility for the blind by now |
| 2021-11-25 17:03:08 | <thonoht[m]> | That would make sense |
| 2021-11-25 17:03:27 | <Solid> | the problem is that no one tests their websites at 500% or 600% zoom |
| 2021-11-25 17:03:31 | <thonoht[m]> | Oooh yeah, now I see the accessibility message |
| 2021-11-25 17:03:44 | <Solid> | and screen readers I would imagine get really confused by a lot of js |
| 2021-11-25 17:04:54 | <liskin> | Well does anyone test cli in 30x20 terminals? :-) |
| 2021-11-25 17:05:59 | <Solid> | well, not much to test there except that text scales :> |
| 2021-11-25 17:06:33 | <Solid> | well, granted, I would imagine he had to customize e.g. where mutt puts things |
| 2021-11-25 17:07:02 | vermoot[m] | uploaded an image: (34KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WZOYWBIjzWcvBfVoUKQoCqse/image.png > |
| 2021-11-25 17:07:04 | <vermoot[m]> | I disagree |
| 2021-11-25 17:07:24 | <Solid> | (I think something along the lines of 35x20 is what he often uses on a 27" screen or something) |
| 2021-11-25 17:08:01 | <liskin> | having the option to customize in the first place surely did help a lot, though :-) |
| 2021-11-25 17:08:05 | <Solid> | indeed |
| 2021-11-25 17:08:20 | <Solid> | vermoot[m]: okay, I guess if you customize your setup then it gets more complicated |
| 2021-11-25 17:08:22 | <liskin> | (which was my original point, I just completely forgot about this group of people) |
| 2021-11-25 17:08:29 | <Solid> | but a vanilla vi or emacs scales very well |
| 2021-11-25 17:13:59 | <liskin> | hm, I tried how some of my programs handle --help in 36x10 and it's not too bad |
| 2021-11-25 17:14:13 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | I also absoloutely hate Element and it's forks, there's a CLI matrix client called gomuks which is what I use currently |
| 2021-11-25 17:15:21 | FOSSHuman[m] | uploaded an image: < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/CxnIvKOJMOAtnQmVoJZXqJMc/*%202021-11-25-171345_1868x952_scrot.png > |
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| 2021-11-25 17:16:35 | <liskin> | I'm kind of hoping https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix-rs becomes usable soon enough |
| 2021-11-25 17:17:18 | <liskin> | the recent release of python 3.9.9 at least (supposedly) makes it possible to run wee-slack and the old weechat-matrix in one instance |
| 2021-11-25 17:17:47 | <liskin> | but weechat-matrix is very limited, one needs to launch Element way too often |
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| 2021-11-25 18:10:07 | <noex> | liskin: i feel the same way about discord. it seemed like the discord plugins all got discontinued over bans |
| 2021-11-25 18:10:28 | <noex> | apparently the way they worked was against the TOS |
| 2021-11-25 18:11:13 | <noex> | i just really wish discord was a simple weechat plugin |
| 2021-11-25 18:12:00 | <noex> | kind of like bitlbee/facebook chat integration is (or at least used to be) |
| 2021-11-25 18:24:17 | <liskin> | noex: yeah |
| 2021-11-25 18:24:46 | <liskin> | on the other hand Discords tend to have _lots_ of channels, and my weechat would be swamped with them |
| 2021-11-25 18:25:23 | <liskin> | in the official client I mute some of them, and then use the inbox (which I user-styled to be larger) to read stuff, and that makes it bearable |
| 2021-11-25 18:26:00 | <liskin> | so, I mean, it has things I'd miss in weechat, and weechat has things I miss in Discord :-/ |
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