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| 2023-04-13 19:19:02 | <Ou42> | hello |
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| 2023-04-13 19:19:20 | <geekosaur> | hi |
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| 2023-04-13 19:21:08 | <Ou42> | I seriously don't know your timezone. Do you ever sleep?! |
| 2023-04-13 19:21:28 | <geekosaur> | I try to |
| 2023-04-13 19:21:30 | <Ou42> | but glad you're here... I'm hitting another Linux issue |
| 2023-04-13 19:21:53 | <geekosaur> | mostly US/Eastern but of late I've had this annoying tendency to wake up around 3am |
| 2023-04-13 19:22:19 | <geekosaur> | so yeh, I can be out here at odd times |
| 2023-04-13 19:22:45 | <Ou42> | eesh. Well, no worries if you need to jet for a power nap |
| 2023-04-13 19:23:12 | <Ou42> | Here's the deal: I finally got back into coding after a couple weeks off and got a new Personal Access Token for GitHub... |
| 2023-04-13 19:23:17 | <geekosaur> | I just slept in really late once I got back to sleep today |
| 2023-04-13 19:23:24 | <Ou42> | and couldn't get git to push to GH. |
| 2023-04-13 19:23:59 | <geekosaur> | not sure I can help with that, I just use a ssh key |
| 2023-04-13 19:24:40 | <Ou42> | I used to use ssh, but was nudged to switch over |
| 2023-04-13 19:25:25 | <Ou42> | huh. OK, well, I know about the section of XMonad that allows "spawnOnce" do you think that's what might need to be done? I need to start the gnome-keyring and/or something else? |
| 2023-04-13 19:26:58 | <Ou42> | OTOH |
| 2023-04-13 19:27:31 | <geekosaur> | you'll need some keyring provider, yes. looks like mate is running `gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login` |
| 2023-04-13 19:27:31 | <Ou42> | The other interpretation is to imitate your setup. Do you happen to have a blog post or write-up on why you chose to keep MATE, but replace the WM? |
| 2023-04-13 19:27:53 | <geekosaur> | I'mnot much of a blogger |
| 2023-04-13 19:28:18 | <Ou42> | s'ok. worth a shot. ;o) |
| 2023-04-13 19:28:22 | <geekosaur> | but the main reason is I think most window managers waste too much space on frames, but I like having a full desktop environment |
| 2023-04-13 19:28:53 | <geekosaur> | (especially since I'm generally using a laptop with a < 1080p display) |
| 2023-04-13 19:29:06 | <Ou42> | I'm still learning ... it's taken me a while to "see" the diff between a DE and a WM. |
| 2023-04-13 19:29:14 | <Ou42> | but I'm still a noob. |
| 2023-04-13 19:29:16 | <geekosaur> | services |
| 2023-04-13 19:29:30 | <geekosaur> | like they keyring, sound, etc. |
| 2023-04-13 19:29:59 | <Ou42> | interesting. Yeah, I wish I had access to vol control and a few other things, but the learning adventure has been beneficial. |
| 2023-04-13 19:30:02 | <geekosaur> | all set up for you. it also sets up multiple monitors and works around video driver/chipset quirks for you |
| 2023-04-13 19:30:41 | <Ou42> | do you use Xmobar w/ it? if not, what panel do you use? |
| 2023-04-13 19:31:24 | <geekosaur> | there's also a "secret" reason: since I hack on xmonad every so often I manage to crash it, and running mate-panel means I have an emergency "open terminal" button so I can recover |
| 2023-04-13 19:33:45 | <geekosaur> | yesterday I managed to trip over https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/449 and would have had to nuke the session without the ability to pop a new terminal so I could recover |
| 2023-04-13 19:33:46 | <Ou42> | makes sense. I'm def not bleeding edge and prefer stability. |
| 2023-04-13 19:35:56 | <Ou42> | So much to learn. I got what you're talking about, but I've not yet been able to make use of that. My limited top/htop whatever seemed to be confined to the terminal I was in or something like that. |
| 2023-04-13 19:36:02 | <liskin> | using a DE also saves a lot of time setting up all the applets and keybinds for wifi, bluetooth, sound, screenshots, etc. |
| 2023-04-13 19:36:07 | <Ou42> | ... my interpretation is based on noob eyes. |
| 2023-04-13 19:36:14 | Ou42 | is often mistaken |
| 2023-04-13 19:36:45 | liskin | did set everything up manually, and also runs a patched xmonad that backs up its state every couple mins and is auto-restarted by systemd when it crashes |
| 2023-04-13 19:36:53 | <liskin> | but it's days wasted in there :-) |
| 2023-04-13 19:37:26 | <Ou42> | liskin: yeah, maybe that's why I'm here?! My MO is to find things to waste time. ThisMustBeThePlace! |
| 2023-04-13 19:37:55 | <liskin> | Ou42: if you want to waste time then yeah This Is The Way! |
| 2023-04-13 19:38:46 | <Ou42> | liskin: You're the author of the xmonad.org tutorial, yes? |
| 2023-04-13 19:39:30 | <liskin> | Ou42: no, that's Solid |
| 2023-04-13 19:39:31 | <Ou42> | geekosaur: you mentioned looking at your xmonad.hs file ... now you both are scaring me J/K, but if you are running on top of MATE, is there anything special to do to outside of XMonad to get it to be the WM? |
| 2023-04-13 19:39:50 | <liskin> | Ou42: I wrote large parts of INSTALL.md, but not much of a writer otherwise :-) |
| 2023-04-13 19:40:03 | <geekosaur> | there's a change you need to make with `dconf-editor` to switch the WM |
| 2023-04-13 19:40:11 | <Ou42> | liskin: my bad. memory is getting bad. wow. that's awful. Sorry about that. |
| 2023-04-13 19:40:24 | <geekosaur> | Solid wrote the TUTORIAL iirc |
| 2023-04-13 19:40:42 | <liskin> | :-D |
| 2023-04-13 19:41:40 | <Ou42> | Yeah, that is a murky memory, but yeah, OK, well, he's in YATZ, eh? Yet Another Time Zone. I finally saw proof xfce4-memory-manager (sp?) is running / working. I shut the lid of the laptop and reopened it and there it was. It's working. Just not visibily from Trayer. |
| 2023-04-13 19:42:20 | <geekosaur> | https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_MATE documents what you need to do, including both the dconf edit and reminding you to get the menu applet to let go of the windows key so xmonad can use it |
| 2023-04-13 19:43:10 | <geekosaur> | and I think you meant the power manager, not "memory" manager |
| 2023-04-13 19:43:11 | <liskin> | Ou42: Solid is in CEST, as are most people who aren't in the US |
| 2023-04-13 19:43:25 | <Ou42> | yes power! as in he-man. yes yes. |
| 2023-04-13 19:44:15 | <Ou42> | OK, so wiki > blog. I'll try to rem. |
| 2023-04-13 19:45:27 | <Ou42> | it's not yet 10pm where he is... got a phone number to call?! where is he? |
| 2023-04-13 19:45:41 | <Ou42> | j/k |
| 2023-04-13 19:46:57 | <liskin> | nope, don't have it :-( |
| 2023-04-13 19:48:01 | <liskin> | (a fact I painfully realised when I stood in front of hauptbahnhof about to meet him a couple weeks ago with crowds of football fans all around) |
| 2023-04-13 19:49:00 | <Ou42> | bummer. where's the love if we can't bug him? I'm in PST. I'm the runt of a small FP MeetUp that meets on Mondays at 7PM PST if you're ever sufering from insomnia. |
| 2023-04-13 19:49:33 | <Ou42> | ... it's still online and the host recently moved to CST. |
| 2023-04-13 19:50:25 | <Ou42> | football == soccer, right? |
| 2023-04-13 19:52:06 | <liskin> | as an eastern european living in the UK hating all team/ball sports equally I refuse to answer that question :-) |
| 2023-04-13 19:53:05 | <Ou42> | HA! I was 30 lbs ago, much in love w/ a under-loved racket sport. Never got fair play here. So, I pretty much hated all other sports. |
| 2023-04-13 19:54:32 | <Ou42> | ... I had a similar situation -- hope you found him! -- but in my case, it wasn't meeting anybody. Years ago, took the kiddos to see the floats after the New Years parade. Took the Metro. Tons of ppl existed the train. We followed. It took a bit to realize they weren't excited about seeing the floats like we were... |
| 2023-04-13 19:54:43 | <Ou42> | ... they were heading to the Rose Bowl (game). |
| 2023-04-13 19:56:42 | <Ou42> | geekosaur: you're closer in time zone... you could make it to the MU. Just saying. |
| 2023-04-13 20:04:00 | <Ou42> | hmm... room got quiet. net-split? |
| 2023-04-13 20:04:14 | <Ou42> | or whatever it's called. |
| 2023-04-13 20:04:33 | <liskin> | nah, just working on something |
| 2023-04-13 20:04:40 | <geekosaur> | likewise |
| 2023-04-13 20:07:07 | <Ou42> | no worries. usually there's "noise" ppl entering / leaving. |
| 2023-04-13 20:11:13 | <geekosaur> | this channel's pretty quiet even when it comes to join/part spam |
| 2023-04-13 20:11:37 | <Ou42> | it is *today* but it had a bit before. odd. |
| 2023-04-13 20:11:37 | <geekosaur> | aside from when they reboot the matrix bridge which they did several times last night for some reason |
| 2023-04-13 20:12:17 | <Ou42> | geekosaur: ty again for your patience and interest in leveling up a noob. That script on that wiki page feels intense, but also straightfwd. |
| 2023-04-13 20:12:48 | <Ou42> | ... I'm assuming if I go down that path, I'll want to keep a separate MATE in the list of DE's I can start so I'll mess it up per usuale. |
| 2023-04-13 20:12:54 | <geekosaur> | the python script? that's only relevant if your distro is already using one (some older ubuntu releases) |
| 2023-04-13 20:13:26 | <Ou42> | The LUG I sometimes join -- ty covid -- the host runs MATE and loves it. I used xfce in the past and recently tried kde and like it better. |
| 2023-04-13 20:13:41 | <Ou42> | but MATE's panel is a pain to setup. There's something fishy there. |
| 2023-04-13 20:14:33 | <Ou42> | I'm running Mint and have Cinnamon, MATE & Xmonad currently. Can switch at the login screen. |
| 2023-04-13 20:14:49 | <geekosaur> | kde needs some patches to work with xmonad, see https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/174 |
| 2023-04-13 20:15:16 | <Ou42> | good to know. |
| 2023-04-13 20:15:19 | <geekosaur> | sadly the dconf thing for the window manager can't be done by a separate xsessions entry as far as I can determine |
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