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| 2021-11-18 17:15:37 | <geekosaur> | hm, is it me or do they need to upgrade the bridge? "Client limit exceeded: 20000" |
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| 2021-11-18 20:44:40 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Hm, looks like they do. |
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| 2021-11-18 22:24:52 | <liskin> | Solid: so what made you decide to doxx yourself? :-) |
| 2021-11-18 22:25:27 | <geekosaur> | they said something about needing to do so to be eligible for money, iirc |
| 2021-11-18 22:25:46 | <geekosaur> | but yes, that was a bit of a surprise |
| 2021-11-18 22:30:10 | <Ocelot> | liskin: I'm glad to see you here. |
| 2021-11-18 22:30:25 | <Ocelot> | Start with the FAQ, right? |
| 2021-11-18 22:31:48 | <liskin> | I'd be a bit surprised if it was just that. I was willing to try to work out a solution not needing a public exposal if needed. :-) |
| 2021-11-18 22:32:12 | <liskin> | Ocelot: I'm always here, just not getting into all discussions |
| 2021-11-18 22:32:59 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Also: |
| 2021-11-18 22:33:00 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Oof, where'd this happen? Just internally in the github sponsors page? |
| 2021-11-18 22:33:00 | jakeStateless-Fa | uploaded an image: (9KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jupiterbroadcasting.com/FtSnwVofxTwrWePGwtPRmrRY/image.png > |
| 2021-11-18 22:33:01 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | nice |
| 2021-11-18 22:33:18 | <Ocelot> | liskin: Gotcha. |
| 2021-11-18 22:33:29 | <liskin> | Right now I'm at a toilet in pub, so not really ready for serious discussion, but yeah, the FAQ is where the most impact can be made. |
| 2021-11-18 22:33:47 | <Ocelot> | Got it. |
| 2021-11-18 22:33:50 | <Ocelot> | Lol! |
| 2021-11-18 22:55:14 | <Ocelot> | So… Apparently, one of the questions that gets asked a lot, concerns xmonad failing to start immediately following an Arch system upgrade. Now, I don't have much experience with Arch, personally. What would a rough outline of the answer to that question look like; why that typically happens, the preferred fix to that specific issue, etc.? |
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| 2021-11-18 23:22:33 | <liskin> | Yeah why&fix is a good outline. If you wanted to learn something from this you might install old Arch to a VM and then upgrade and capture the error messages but if you just want to make something useful and then move on to another important thing then you can just make a rough sketch of an explanation and ask someone who knows the details to fill those details. |
| 2021-11-18 23:23:36 | <liskin> | I'd suggest creating a discussion topic in the Q&A section, and then submitting an answer, and iterating from there. |
| 2021-11-18 23:25:02 | <liskin> | Kind of like stackoverflow, although here we don't have the option to let people suggest edits to the question, which is unfortunate but probably not a big deal at our scale |
| 2021-11-18 23:27:43 | <liskin> | The more I think about this the more I wish we could have something like stackoverflow, where people collaborate on both the questions and the answers. With Github discussions we have neither, but at least people can submit refined answers. With reddit, we have that too but discoverability is shit. |
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| 2021-11-18 23:29:13 | <liskin> | Which results in the same questions being asked again and again |
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| 2021-11-19 00:13:09 | <Ocelot> | Yeah. |
| 2021-11-19 00:13:47 | <Ocelot> | What exactly do you mean by discoverability being shit on Reddit? |
| 2021-11-19 00:15:07 | <Ocelot> | Is it that people have a hard time finding the subreddit itself, or…? |
| 2021-11-19 00:16:40 | <Ocelot> | I'll be the first to say that Reddit's built in search feature is an absolute travesty, if that's what you mean. |
| 2021-11-19 00:19:24 | <Ocelot> | I swear: it omits the majority of exact matches for no obvious reason, constantly, and does so at random. |
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| 2021-11-19 00:25:05 | <liskin> | I mean that people don't even think about looking for existing answers, they just ask new ones. |
| 2021-11-19 00:25:41 | <Ocelot> | Yeah, I could see that. |
| 2021-11-19 00:25:52 | <liskin> | And reddit actively discourages from participating in old discussions, they're locked and you can't comment any further. |
| 2021-11-19 00:26:32 | <liskin> | That's the exact opposite of what you want from an FAQ. |
| 2021-11-19 00:35:23 | <Ocelot> | I don't think it's like that anymore, at least from what I've seen. As of the last ~month, I've been able to vote on posts and comments which are several years old. I don't know why, but I don't run any browser extensions in order to allow that (plus, what I just said applies to both desktop and mobile; I also doubt that writing a browser extension for the purpose of bypassing Reddit in order to do that illegitimately, |
| 2021-11-19 00:35:23 | <Ocelot> | would even be very easy, anyway—if possible at all). If I had to guess, Reddit deliberately removed that limitation themselves, for whatever reason. |
| 2021-11-19 00:43:13 | <liskin> | Hm, interesting. |
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| 2021-11-19 01:49:25 | <Ocelot> | So—speaking of Reddit—somewhere between a few days and a week ago, I copied and pasted the first ten pages of r/xmonad, sorted by Hot, and just started searching through it to try to figure out which words came up most often in titles phrased as questions. I honestly don't remember the exact number, but the most questions by far were concerning the word "xmobar"… So what questions are asked most frequently |
| 2021-11-19 01:49:25 | <Ocelot> | about xmobar, and what are the solutions to those problems? |
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| 2021-11-19 02:51:18 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | <liskin> "And reddit actively discourages..." <- I think that's a feature available to moderators. |
| 2021-11-19 02:53:04 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Is there any benefit to using `main = xmonad . otherStuff . docks . ewmh $ def` over `main = xmonad $ otherStuff $ docks $ ewmh def`? |
| 2021-11-19 03:00:28 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Also, not that it matters much, but I had `~?` defined as something slightly different than what's in `manageHooks`. Kind of annoying that I had to hide that in the import. Again, not a big deal. |
| 2021-11-19 03:01:06 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | s/manageHooks/X.H.ManageHelpers/ |
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