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2023-07-29 14:01:49 <liskin> I think the biggest blocker on our side is that someone would need to do the managing/mentoring/paperwork and nobody got capacity/skills to do that.
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2023-07-29 14:03:19 <liskin> When I was setting up this whole Github sponsors thing I forgot to account for the (in retrospect obviously most likely) outcome that I'd need to get a day job anyway and that it'll burn me out completely. :-(
2023-07-29 14:04:55 <liskin> Are there any reasonably good Rust libs/bindings to Wayland stuff? Like wlroots?
2023-07-29 14:05:09 <liskin> Last time I checked it looked a bit sad.
2023-07-29 14:06:37 <liskin> (I know a bit of Rust so if I get fired I might as well play with it a bit... But then maybe I should just pack my stuff onto a touring bicycle and leave civilization for a while instead. :-))
2023-07-29 14:29:02 <zawaken> from my limited research, it seems Smithay on github might be something, but from a waycooler blog post from 2019, the creator of wlroots-rs and waycooler writes Smithay is very incomplete, but ofc it could have gotten a ton better in 4 years
2023-07-29 14:29:22 <zawaken> waycooler is archived though :/
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2023-07-29 16:05:36 <taman> After changing the height of my xmobar, I see it take effect in xmobar. But not in xmonad, which ignores it. If I open a terminal, most of xmobar is hidden under the terminal. How do I fix this, please?
2023-07-29 16:07:49 <vrs> e
2023-07-29 16:07:56 <vrs> restarting xmonad should do it
2023-07-29 16:08:26 <vrs> (usually mod-q)
2023-07-29 16:09:55 <taman> vrs: unfortunately it did not
2023-07-29 16:13:58 <vrs> mod-shift-space then?
2023-07-29 16:17:17 <taman> Nothing happens. I can restart by restarting the X server, it doesn't change.
2023-07-29 16:18:28 <vrs> do you have static gaps configured in your layout?
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2023-07-29 16:22:38 <taman> I have no idea :) How do I tell?
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2023-07-29 16:24:57 <taman> I can paste my xmonad.hs ?
2023-07-29 16:30:14 <vrs> use a pastebin but yes
2023-07-29 16:34:36 <taman> Here you go, <https://paste.debian.net/1287316/>
2023-07-29 16:34:44 <taman> thanks for looking at this
2023-07-29 16:45:59 <vrs> yeah that's a static layout, the easy fix is to adjust the gap in your gaps layout from (U,15) to whatever you need now
2023-07-29 16:48:13 <taman> Thanks, I'll try it...
2023-07-29 16:49:05 <vrs> the flexible way is to use avoidStruts from X.M.ManageDocks (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Hooks-ManageDocks.html)
2023-07-29 16:51:42 <taman> No change :( I tried 'U, 50' and I've recompiled, which reported success, then 'xmonad --restart', but it's just the same.
2023-07-29 16:52:00 <taman> I'll look at that link, thanks
2023-07-29 16:52:02 <geekosaur> there you will need mod-shift-space because the type of your layout didn'[t change
2023-07-29 16:52:23 <taman> oh! Now it works!
2023-07-29 16:52:26 <geekosaur> and xmonad can't tell which things came from xmonad.hs and which from keybindings like mod-h etc.
2023-07-29 16:52:56 <taman> Thanks, that's got me much further than I was!
2023-07-29 16:53:28 <taman> Thanks vrs, geekosaur
2023-07-29 16:54:43 <vrs> hth
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2023-07-29 18:35:06 <galactic_starfis> <absta[m]> "Maybe it is the fastest for..." <- At that rate, iirc there's already plenty of rust Wayland WMs out there... The appeal of XMonad for me is the Haskell...
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2023-07-29 20:22:54 <zawaken> I think the only issue is that none of those are anywhere near as good as XMonad, I haven't tested most of them fully, but quite a few of them use the server/ctl type of configuration, maybe QTile could be something, as it supports wayland.
2023-07-29 20:23:14 <zawaken> I might be a bit biased though
2023-07-29 20:24:57 <MrElendig> qtile is close in that its also basically "write your own window manager" type of configuration
2023-07-29 20:25:22 <zawaken> Yeah, I really dig that type of configuration
2023-07-29 22:18:46 <absta[m]> galactic_starfish: one can make it call Haskell for window management.
2023-07-29 22:20:05 <geekosaur> that's what waymonad tries to do with wlroots
2023-07-29 22:20:52 <absta[m]> Hmm, does it? I thought they tried to write lots of compositor logic in rust as well.
2023-07-29 22:21:35 <geekosaur> qtile seems like it'd be a poor choice for that because I'd expect it to be C++ (Qt) and binding C++ means dumbing it down to C (binding C++ directly is a recipe for madness and nonportability)
2023-07-29 22:22:53 <geekosaur> wlroots is C. wlroots-rs was an attempted rewrite in rust iirc
2023-07-29 22:23:21 <absta[m]> I wrote lots of typos duh
2023-07-29 22:24:24 <absta[m]> I meant that waymonad looked like writing entire compositor server in Haskell.
2023-07-29 22:24:30 <geekosaur> one thing about waymonad is it bundled an old wlroots and newer ones are significantly more stable
2023-07-29 22:24:59 <absta[m]> I agree that qtile would be a poor choice.
2023-07-29 22:25:38 <absta[m]> Gotta check how much logic one have to write with wlroots, hmm
2023-07-29 22:26:00 <geekosaur> quite a lot; wlroots is quite minimal
2023-07-29 22:27:27 <absta[m]> You mean one has to write lots of logic on top of wlroots right
2023-07-29 22:28:02 <geekosaur> the Wayland way is that the compositor is the display server; wlroots is a minimal display server equivalent to an X11 display driver with compositing support, and you have to write everything that goes above it
2023-07-29 22:30:01 <absta[m]> Yea, so I meant writing most of the logic in rust and calling haskell for window management.
2023-07-29 22:30:34 <geekosaur> which dumps you back into rust not having done so well with that either
2023-07-29 22:31:00 <geekosaur> whereas wlroots use is expanding and it's still worth looking into newer versions of it
2023-07-29 22:32:51 <absta[m]> Hmm gotta see.
2023-07-29 22:37:22 <geekosaur> may need a fair amount of work since APIs may have changed
2023-07-29 22:37:53 <geekosaur> but waymonad's biggest problem was stability of the ancient wlroots it used
2023-07-29 22:39:34 <geekosaur> hm, right, that's why I never poked at it. requires nix to build and this little laptop is too small for nix's disk usage
2023-07-29 22:39:56 <geekosaur> maybe when the new laptop comes in
2023-07-29 22:43:16 <absta[m]> Woah look at this: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/tree/master/tinywl
2023-07-29 22:43:38 <absta[m]> So you can make minimal compositor in 1000 lines in C
2023-07-29 23:17:11 <zawaken> isn't qtile python?
2023-07-29 23:17:38 <zawaken> pretty sure most if not all of it is python, but I guess there might be other things in the background though
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2023-07-30 01:28:21 <absta[m]> Pain... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/d5a7600c1e590f116d386a7ecf11647c89f803cf>)
2023-07-30 01:28:33 <absta[m]> Off-by-one-version
2023-07-30 01:30:10 <absta[m]> Hmm, 0.16.2 seems to be meeting the required version
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