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| 2021-10-08 13:35:31 | <jakefromstatefar> | <liskin> "jakefromstatefarm: so, you are..." <- Yes |
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| 2021-10-08 13:44:42 | <geekosaur> | @tell seiryn for what little it's worth, I ran into that with a linux mint update and mate and ended up debugging the whole startup chain to find out what they'd changed (which turned out to be a window manager wrapper script that had to be taught about xmonad :( ) |
| 2021-10-08 13:44:42 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
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| 2021-10-08 13:44:58 | <geekosaur> | timing is everything :) |
| 2021-10-08 13:45:31 | <geekosaur> | (you have a @message) |
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| 2021-10-08 14:25:23 | <jakefromstatefar> | That HN discussion reminded me: Wayland is fast approaching... We need to do something about `WayMonad`, if we wish for the project to exist far into the future. |
| 2021-10-08 14:25:53 | <jakefromstatefar> | The biggest hurdles are: A) reliance upon X11 libraries and B) segmentation of components that wayland enforces. |
| 2021-10-08 14:25:54 | <jakefromstatefar> | Yes? |
| 2021-10-08 14:27:53 | <liskin> | not sure what you mean by B) |
| 2021-10-08 14:28:21 | <liskin> | I consider the biggest hurdle that I have no damn clue about what all needs to be done :-) |
| 2021-10-08 14:28:51 | <liskin> | I should probably just try using Sway for a month or something |
| 2021-10-08 14:29:20 | <jakefromstatefar> | B - Wayland as a protocol separates window management from layouts, and from compositing, from input, etc. |
| 2021-10-08 14:29:24 | <jakefromstatefar> | Unless I'm missing something |
| 2021-10-08 14:29:36 | <jakefromstatefar> | I forget where exactly the lines in the sand are. |
| 2021-10-08 14:30:45 | <liskin> | isn't it the other way round? Xorg is fairly separated, whereas a Wayland compositor usually crams rendering, input, window management, layouts, … into a single process |
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| 2021-10-08 15:33:35 | <jakefromstatefar> | Not that I know, I'll do some quick research. |
| 2021-10-08 15:33:37 | <jakefromstatefar> | know of* |
| 2021-10-08 15:41:33 | <jakefromstatefar> | Mh, yeah, it's the opposite. What you said. https://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html |
| 2021-10-08 15:41:54 | <jakefromstatefar> | So, perhaps we need to locate a suitable set of wayland libraries in haskell. |
| 2021-10-08 15:42:05 | <jakefromstatefar> | Or, make them (probably not fun). |
| 2021-10-08 15:42:35 | <liskin> | jakefromstatefar: if you're interested in this, you should probably start researching here: https://github.com/L-as/waymonad |
| 2021-10-08 15:43:06 | <jakefromstatefar> | I looked there a while back. But it looked dead. |
| 2021-10-08 15:43:13 | <jakefromstatefar> | I'll look again, I guess |
| 2021-10-08 15:43:21 | <liskin> | doesn't really matter if all you need is learning |
| 2021-10-08 15:45:25 | <jakefromstatefar> | True |
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| 2021-10-08 15:47:37 | <geekosaur> | L-as is the live one, ongy's is the dead one |
| 2021-10-08 15:48:32 | <geekosaur> | although it's based on a dead dependency |
| 2021-10-08 15:49:47 | <jakefromstatefar> | Yeah, I see that now. |
| 2021-10-08 15:50:00 | <liskin> | ongy replied to one of my HN comments, btw: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28798799 |
| 2021-10-08 15:50:18 | <jakefromstatefar> | They have a matrix room, so I'm inquiring about their wayland libraries and challenges they faced. |
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| 2021-10-08 15:51:35 | <liskin> | it should be noted that none of the original developers of waymonad are in that matrix room, so not sure what answers you'll get |
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| 2021-10-08 15:52:18 | <liskin> | I think Ivan elonsroadster[m] was involved back then as well, and is now back on xmonad, so he might know a bit about challenges |
| 2021-10-08 15:53:21 | liskin | is now writing an xmobar plugin in bash, lol |
| 2021-10-08 15:53:43 | <elonsroadster[m]> | I never got waymonad fully working |
| 2021-10-08 15:54:30 | <liskin> | oh, I must have mistaken you for LSLeary |
| 2021-10-08 15:54:32 | <liskin> | sorry! |
| 2021-10-08 15:55:04 | <liskin> | LSLeary contributed some great stuff to xmonad and apparently also has commits in waymonad, but went completely AWOL a couple years ago :-( |
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| 2021-10-08 16:14:56 | <liskin> | jakefromstatefar: I see you invited me to a Matrix space, but I don't have any Matrix client that is comfortable enough for frequent usage (I don't believe any such client exists at all), so I'm not sure I'll be able to participate in that space actively :-/ |
| 2021-10-08 16:16:24 | Drishal[m] | uploaded an image: (253KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ISPaIQOALvCtPyODnURYUIgW/Screenshot_20211008-214113_Lawnchair%20(1).jpg > |
| 2021-10-08 16:16:33 | <Drishal[m]> | Damm Google knows I use xmoand |
| 2021-10-08 16:17:22 | <liskin> | ♥ |
| 2021-10-08 16:21:41 | <geekosaur> | google sees all, knows all |
| 2021-10-08 16:21:48 | <geekosaur> | the panopticon of the internet |
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