Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
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| 2021-10-14 17:59:21 | <liskin> | Yes and no. People don't really like to be spammed with requests for money, so the ideal strategy is to tell everyone exactly at the moment they're ready and willing to donate. |
| 2021-10-14 17:59:27 | <liskin> | Which is obviously impossible. |
| 2021-10-14 18:00:13 | <alternateved> | I was more thinking about some forms of showing what could you do with xmonad |
| 2021-10-14 18:00:25 | <liskin> | Oh I see |
| 2021-10-14 18:01:03 | <alternateved> | The more people appreciate it the more of them will be willing to check how they could help |
| 2021-10-14 18:02:41 | <alternateved> | But this is obvious I guess |
| 2021-10-14 18:03:00 | <liskin> | Certainly, if we were able to write interesting blog posts showing off new (and old) features, demoing configuration snippets, talking about different workflow, etc., that would be good PR |
| 2021-10-14 18:03:21 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | https://xmonad.org/posts.html |
| 2021-10-14 18:03:26 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | ?? |
| 2021-10-14 18:03:37 | <liskin> | Indeed, we do have the infrastructure for that now |
| 2021-10-14 18:04:08 | <liskin> | Probably nobody subscribes to the RSS feed, but we have a place to publish them, and we have reddit and twitter to announce them. |
| 2021-10-14 18:04:15 | <liskin> | Now we just need someone to write them :-) |
| 2021-10-14 18:04:33 | <alternateved> | Yeah, exactly that. Some videos showing off what xmonad could do would be also great |
| 2021-10-14 18:05:12 | <alternateved> | For example, there is not a lot of this stuff on YouTube - and a lot of newcomers would check there first |
| 2021-10-14 18:05:54 | <alternateved> | You might also consider contacting the Distrotube guy about your new release |
| 2021-10-14 18:06:28 | <alternateved> | He's got some audience, so he could promote you a bit in that time |
| 2021-10-14 18:07:23 | <liskin> | We can do guest posts, and I would have no trouble paying some rewards for those. (Although there's obviously the little problem that someone might do a subpar post just for the money, just as people do shitoberfest PRs just for t-shirts. Absolutely no idea how to deal with this in a fair way. But if someone's fine with writing a post just for the fun of it and if it's any good then having it |
| 2021-10-14 18:07:25 | <liskin> | posted on our website with some bonus payout, that's super easy to do.) |
| 2021-10-14 18:08:45 | <alternateved> | I might consider doing something like that |
| 2021-10-14 18:08:57 | <liskin> | (I mean, we can also ignore the problem altogether. xmonad is a niche little project in a niche little Haskell community. Ignoring problems that plague other projects/communities has worked very well for us for over a decade. :-)) |
| 2021-10-14 18:09:07 | <alternateved> | But not for the money, just for the fun and writing practice |
| 2021-10-14 18:09:41 | <alternateved> | (Yeah, after all some people might consider Haskell a hurdle impossible to overcome) |
| 2021-10-14 18:09:44 | <liskin> | Awesome! |
| 2021-10-14 18:11:54 | <Solid> | liskin: where is the RSS feed at? I don't see it mentioned anywhere on the site |
| 2021-10-14 18:12:22 | <liskin> | Solid: <link type="application/atom+xml" rel="alternate" href="https://xmonad.org/feed.xml" title="xmonad - the tiling window manager that rocks" /> |
| 2021-10-14 18:12:49 | <liskin> | might be worth mentioning it explicitly in posts.html though |
| 2021-10-14 18:14:20 | <Solid> | oh neat |
| 2021-10-14 18:16:03 | <alternateved> | You might also want to mention it as bullet in `What's new?` section |
| 2021-10-14 18:16:27 | <alternateved> | since it is pretty what RSS feed is about |
| 2021-10-14 18:16:40 | <liskin> | my RSS reader (liferea) does autodiscovery, so I just "add feed" with the webpage URL and it usually works |
| 2021-10-14 18:16:59 | <liskin> | (and I also have a browser extension, but most people won't) |
| 2021-10-14 18:17:11 | Solid | has not |
| 2021-10-14 18:17:29 | <alternateved> | Yeah, I don't really use RSS feed that much. |
| 2021-10-14 18:19:32 | <Solid> | it'll grow on you |
| 2021-10-14 18:20:13 | <alternateved> | Haha, maybe. I'm just starting. |
| 2021-10-14 18:21:16 | <alternateved> | Is there anything Haskell-wise worth tracking via RSS feed? |
| 2021-10-14 18:22:04 | <geekosaur> | new learning-Haskell resources, maybe |
| 2021-10-14 18:22:58 | <geekosaur> | oh, I misunderstood that |
| 2021-10-14 18:23:11 | <geekosaur> | there used to be planet haskell but I think it's dead |
| 2021-10-14 18:23:50 | <geekosaur> | and… well, it used to track a lot of esoterica rather than what I'd consider useful stuff |
| 2021-10-14 18:23:58 | <geekosaur> | especially in the context of xmonad |
| 2021-10-14 18:24:11 | <Solid> | seems to still be alive https://planet.haskell.org/ |
| 2021-10-14 18:24:17 | <Solid> | (never heard of it though) |
| 2021-10-14 18:24:40 | <geekosaur> | I mean, I think most of us are out of here if someone introduces type level programming into xmonad :) |
| 2021-10-14 18:24:52 | <Solid> | :D |
| 2021-10-14 18:25:52 | <geekosaur> | (that said, I think there's some HList foo in -extras and possibly MultiToggle) |
| 2021-10-14 18:26:33 | <Solid> | yeah MultiToggle uses HLists |
| 2021-10-14 18:26:50 | <Solid> | so that ship seems to have sailed already |
| 2021-10-14 18:26:52 | <Solid> | time to go nuts :> |
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| 2021-10-14 20:18:04 | liskin | has almost a dozen rss feeds related to Haskell but doesn't read any of them :-/ |
| 2021-10-14 20:19:56 | <mc47> | liskin, about the xmonad-docs thingy |
| 2021-10-14 20:20:02 | <mc47> | Solid as well |
| 2021-10-14 20:20:21 | <mc47> | are you suggesting to freeze xmonad-docs once we do the release, so it points to 0.17 and 0.16? |
| 2021-10-14 20:20:32 | <mc47> | Or am I misunderstanding something? |
| 2021-10-14 20:21:10 | <mc47> | (I'll be on mc47[m]) |
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| 2021-10-14 20:21:19 | <liskin> | mc47[m]: what I'm suggesting is to bump to 0.17.0.999 immediately so that 0.17 in xmonad-docs keeps being the doc for 0.17 |
| 2021-10-14 20:22:12 | <liskin> | (not necessarily three nines, that's a convention from elsewhere) |
| 2021-10-14 20:22:52 | <geekosaur> | 0.17.0.3.1.4.5.9… |
| 2021-10-14 20:23:04 | <geekosaur> | dropped a 1, whoops |
| 2021-10-14 20:23:26 | <geekosaur> | h/t Don Knuth of course |
| 2021-10-14 20:25:18 | <mc47[m]> | Wait, doesn't xmonad-docs containd the docs for the current git version? |
| 2021-10-14 20:25:20 | <mc47[m]> | Haha |
| 2021-10-14 20:25:37 | <geekosaur> | I thought so, and we get current release version from hackage |
| 2021-10-14 20:25:54 | <geekosaur> | certainly that's what I've been doing |
| 2021-10-14 20:26:32 | <geekosaur> | release versions in xmonad-docs dates from a period when early hackage was highly unstable and we wanted independent docs to be available |
| 2021-10-14 20:29:24 | <mc47[m]> | Yeah same |
| 2021-10-14 20:30:17 | <liskin> | xmonad-docs contains all versions since we had xmonad-docs, for the simple reason that URLs on Teh Internet shall not be broken |
| 2021-10-14 20:30:57 | <liskin> | and there are also symlinks so that one can meaningfully link to the latest version (like one can with hackage) |
| 2021-10-14 20:31:08 | <liskin> | but we haven't had xmonad-docs for long. |
| 2021-10-14 20:31:56 | <liskin> | (by all versions I mean all version numbers, not all git revisions) |
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| 2021-10-14 20:32:36 | <liskin> | it acts like an unversioned filesystem that we keep adding stuff to, if the filename is the same it's overwritten, if the filename is different it's added |
| 2021-10-14 20:32:56 | <mc47[m]> | Oh that's awesome |
| 2021-10-14 20:33:25 | <mc47[m]> | I suppose it's a good alternative |
| 2021-10-14 20:47:53 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Hello everyone; I've been using stalonetray and I just added the new `ewmhFullscreen` function to my config (this issue also happened on the non-git version of XMonad and XMonad-Contrib); I added a parameter in stalonetray's config to lower it on start and I still experience the issue where stalonetray is above fullscreen windows, this happens occasionally though and sometimes stalonetray is below fullscreen windows, but most of the time |
| 2021-10-14 20:47:53 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | it is above fullscreen windows, any idea how to fix this?? |
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| 2021-10-14 22:50:27 | <jakefromstatefar> | I've found that to be completely unreliable as well... |
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