Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
| 2021-10-08 06:33:11 | → | wonko joins (~wjc@62.115.229.50) |
| 2021-10-08 06:41:32 | <TheWizardTower[m> | oh man. |
| 2021-10-08 06:41:33 | <TheWizardTower[m> | not a good time. |
| 2021-10-08 06:41:41 | <TheWizardTower[m> | amethyst tries, bless it's heart. |
| 2021-10-08 06:41:46 | <TheWizardTower[m> | but. man. |
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| 2021-10-08 06:44:03 | <Solid> | what's amethyst? |
| 2021-10-08 06:44:30 | <TheWizardTower[m> | Amethyst is the OSX cough excuse me macOS re-implementation of xmonad. |
| 2021-10-08 06:44:43 | <TheWizardTower[m> | It gets about 60% of it right. |
| 2021-10-08 06:44:44 | <TheWizardTower[m> | Sorta. |
| 2021-10-08 06:44:57 | <TheWizardTower[m> | My last job had me stuck on a mbp for a bit before I escaped. |
| 2021-10-08 06:45:06 | <TheWizardTower[m> | It was......... profoundly unpleasant. |
| 2021-10-08 06:45:28 | <Solid> | it's insane how much energy people put into producing free software for this proprietary dumpster fire |
| 2021-10-08 06:45:37 | <TheWizardTower[m> | ikr |
| 2021-10-08 06:46:09 | <TheWizardTower[m> | The funny thing is, I specifically talked with the recruiter saying "I can't work on a mac. Can we get a different laptop?" |
| 2021-10-08 06:46:14 | <TheWizardTower[m> | she said "totes." |
| 2021-10-08 06:46:29 | <TheWizardTower[m> | the catch was, yes, we could, but not until we joined a team permanently. |
| 2021-10-08 06:46:40 | <TheWizardTower[m> | While we were in "bootcamp" mode, we were stuck on macs. |
| 2021-10-08 06:46:47 | <TheWizardTower[m> | was utterly awful. |
| 2021-10-08 06:50:31 | <liskin> | not a good time indeed :-/ |
| 2021-10-08 06:59:53 | <liskin> | (well, we do have 2 new sponsors since tbabej dropped the sponsors link 5 hours ago, so that's good, but I had very different plans for today than answering question at HN) |
| 2021-10-08 07:09:45 | <Solid> | eh, I wouldn't bother |
| 2021-10-08 07:16:02 | <liskin> | do unto others as you'd have them do unto you |
| 2021-10-08 07:16:24 | <liskin> | I always love when people from the project chime into HN discussions |
| 2021-10-08 07:21:38 | <Solid> | that's fair enough |
| 2021-10-08 07:21:48 | <Solid> | I never really "got" HN, tbh |
| 2021-10-08 07:23:17 | <liskin> | yeah, a lot of people just discard it as trash, and a lot of people discard twitter and facebook and slashdot and everything else as well |
| 2021-10-08 07:24:01 | Solid | seems to be one of those people |
| 2021-10-08 07:24:17 | <Solid> | actually, I have read some good threads on lobste.rs |
| 2021-10-08 07:24:22 | <liskin> | but every single one of these has some influence, so I believe it's good to try to use it somehow for good |
| 2021-10-08 07:26:33 | <Solid> | I suppose so |
| 2021-10-08 07:26:51 | <Solid> | thank god I'm not in charge of marketing for... anything :) |
| 2021-10-08 07:27:00 | <liskin> | :-) |
| 2021-10-08 07:27:20 | <liskin> | it's a painful learning experience for me, I must admit |
| 2021-10-08 07:28:10 | <liskin> | I mean, I have no hope of ever understanding how posting a link to xmonad.org which hasn't changed in months and has been around for over a decade suddenly makes it to the front page |
| 2021-10-08 07:28:37 | <liskin> | probably just a bunch of random events occurring at the same time, hm |
| 2021-10-08 07:28:56 | <liskin> | I'd love a more deterministic world tbh :-) |
| 2021-10-08 07:29:05 | <Solid> | or bots upvoting the link :> |
| 2021-10-08 07:30:23 | <liskin> | they supposedly have systems in place to detect that |
| 2021-10-08 07:30:41 | <liskin> | and then, why would you use bots to upvote a link to xmonad.org which hasn't changed in months and has been around for over a decade :-D |
| 2021-10-08 07:31:59 | <liskin> | jakefromstatefar: so, you are github.com/mikenrafter ? |
| 2021-10-08 07:34:26 | <Solid> | liskin: it could be a long con from that person who said he'd help us get some initial sponsors :D |
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| 2021-10-08 07:35:02 | <liskin> | Solid: unlikely :-) |
| 2021-10-08 07:35:39 | <liskin> | (he did send me an email this morning that he noticed the HN thread and commented about the fundraising: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28794873; we got 2 new sponsors since then) |
| 2021-10-08 07:35:54 | <liskin> | oh I already said this |
| 2021-10-08 07:44:31 | <liskin> | oh |
| 2021-10-08 07:44:38 | <liskin> | @xmonad has a new $200.00 one time sponsor on GitHub Sponsors (@mytskine)! |
| 2021-10-08 07:44:39 | <lambdabot> | Unknown command, try @list |
| 2021-10-08 07:45:04 | <Solid[m]> | :o |
| 2021-10-08 07:45:34 | <liskin> | so I guess tomorrow will be the day when I'll actually have to add the Named sponsors to the website :-) |
| 2021-10-08 07:45:40 | <Solid[m]> | Good thing we added the tome time sponsor option :> |
| 2021-10-08 07:45:57 | <liskin> | yeah, so far it's turned out good |
| 2021-10-08 07:47:48 | <Solid[m]> | Any idea what we will do with the money? Because I have none :) |
| 2021-10-08 07:48:34 | <Solid[m]> | Maybe it'd be a good idea to pay xmonad.org's hosting fees as a start |
| 2021-10-08 07:48:49 | <Solid[m]> | s/hosting/domain/ |
| 2021-10-08 08:02:58 | → | Guest7245 joins (~alice@pop.92-184-116-233.mobile.abo.orange.fr) |
| 2021-10-08 08:03:20 | <liskin> | we can pocket it, for all the hard work that we've done over the last year |
| 2021-10-08 08:03:33 | <liskin> | or we can use it to pay for work in the future |
| 2021-10-08 08:04:41 | <liskin> | if we somehow magically get loads of it, I wouldn't really mind paying someone to conduct experiments with wayland, different data structures (like what I talked about last night), that sort of thing |
| 2021-10-08 08:05:02 | <liskin> | and yeah, paying for the domain is a very good idea too |
| 2021-10-08 08:05:12 | <Guest7245> | Hello, hmmm, I tried to use xmonad & kde, but when i try to compile it tell me "use ikde4Config instead of kde4Config", what's the difference ? |
| 2021-10-08 08:05:39 | Guest7245 | is now known as seiryn |
| 2021-10-08 08:07:20 | <seiryn> | huu, forget it, it was a type and a bad debugging information |
| 2021-10-08 08:07:46 | <liskin> | seiryn: that was some productive rubber ducking indeed :-) |
| 2021-10-08 08:08:19 | <seiryn> | Rubber ducking is the best way to debug |
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| 2021-10-08 08:22:48 | <Solid> | :) |
| 2021-10-08 08:24:44 | <Solid> | liskin: pocketing it would feel pretty weird (I don't know why) but as a poor student I suppose I wouldn't object... :) |
| 2021-10-08 08:25:55 | <liskin> | oh well, cultural differences I guess |
| 2021-10-08 08:27:23 | <Solid> | more like the fear that accepting money would turn this from something that's fun to do on the side to something that I have some sort of obligation towards |
| 2021-10-08 08:27:31 | <liskin> | the two people working for HF in the US are comfortable pocketing $100k a year each for the value they add to the ecosystem, and Solid here would feel weird pocketing a hundred bucks for a year worth of code contributions :-D |
| 2021-10-08 08:27:45 | <Solid> | :D |
| 2021-10-08 08:27:47 | <liskin> | oh, right, that is a valid concern |
| 2021-10-08 08:28:22 | <liskin> | I'm "lucky" to be past that, it already isn't fun for me :-) |
| 2021-10-08 08:28:28 | <liskin> | *just fun |
| 2021-10-08 08:29:14 | <Solid> | well that edit really makes or breaks it, doesn't it :o |
| 2021-10-08 08:29:17 | <TheWizardTower[m> | "If you're good at something, never do it for free." |
| 2021-10-08 08:29:44 | <Solid> | TheWizardTower[m: that's why I program for free; I'm _not_ good at it :> |
| 2021-10-08 08:29:54 | <TheWizardTower[m> | snrk |
| 2021-10-08 08:29:58 | <TheWizardTower[m> | Well played. :) |
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| 2021-10-08 08:31:59 | <liskin> | Solid: last month it really was me not being able to tell between the two, if I may be honest |
| 2021-10-08 08:32:10 | <seiryn> | Sorry for all deco-reco, i try to run kde + xmonad and it doesn't work, so i keep login logut... |
| 2021-10-08 08:32:52 | <liskin> | Solid: we've done most of the fun bits, and what needs to be done now is not fun, but it needs to be done, otherwise all the fun things were for nothing (well, for git cloners, but still) |
| 2021-10-08 08:33:11 | <Solid> | indeed you are right |
| 2021-10-08 08:33:33 | <TheWizardTower[m> | @selryn what's the issue? That's the config I run, and it's mostly fine. |
| 2021-10-08 08:33:34 | <lambdabot> | Unknown command, try @list |
| 2021-10-08 08:33:38 | <liskin> | sunken cost fallacy, kind of |
| 2021-10-08 08:33:51 | <Solid> | my hope is that the new release will bring lots of other contributors and more fun bits, though |
| 2021-10-08 08:33:54 | <TheWizardTower[m> | Thanks bot. |
| 2021-10-08 08:34:47 | <liskin> | but I'm not a big fan of all these 80/20, "serve only paying customers", "do only the most impactful things" advices, so I will endure, but it's hard |
| 2021-10-08 08:35:22 | <liskin> | anyway, 2 new (private) sponsors as europe wakes up, good |
| 2021-10-08 08:35:44 | <liskin> | seiryn: my weechat filters that so I'm fine :-) |
| 2021-10-08 08:36:02 | <Solid> | oh that's a good idea, actually |
| 2021-10-08 08:36:10 | <seiryn> | i switch to tty2 anyway so that will not append anymore |
| 2021-10-08 08:39:34 | <seiryn> | TheWizardTower[m : The issue is, xmonad doesn't run ? It's still is kde-plasma |
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