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| 2022-01-22 12:37:09 | <Profpatsch> | Hi I’m trying to add a simple extension to my xmonad |
| 2022-01-22 12:37:33 | <Profpatsch> | I want to have a layer of (optional) tabs under each workspace, then inside it should use the normal nesting layout |
| 2022-01-22 12:37:56 | <Profpatsch> | But I can’t decipher the sublayout documentation, or maybe I need something completely different |
| 2022-01-22 12:38:09 | <Profpatsch> | So basically Workspace -> Tabbed -> Tall |
| 2022-01-22 12:40:28 | <geekosaur> | why do you need a sublayout? |
| 2022-01-22 12:40:34 | <Profpatsch> | geekosaur: maybe I don’t |
| 2022-01-22 12:41:00 | <geekosaur> | it sounds like addTabsBottom to me |
| 2022-01-22 12:41:05 | <Profpatsch> | I’d say what I want is Mod + Tab to switch between tabs |
| 2022-01-22 12:41:20 | <Profpatsch> | And then a special keybidning to open a new tab instead of a new tiled window |
| 2022-01-22 12:41:40 | <Profpatsch> | So like Mod+Enter -> new tiled Mod+Shift+Enter -> new tab |
| 2022-01-22 12:41:46 | <geekosaur> | hm, sublayouts don't get you that, but neither does anything else |
| 2022-01-22 12:42:05 | <Profpatsch> | I can’t nest a normal Tall inside a Tabbed? |
| 2022-01-22 12:42:29 | <Profpatsch> | Sublayouts have this push/pull stuff which I haven’t understood yet |
| 2022-01-22 12:42:33 | <Profpatsch> | it’s not very well documented |
| 2022-01-22 12:42:48 | <geekosaur> | you can, but you cannot distinguish between something in a Tabbed (or a sublayout) and something outside of it |
| 2022-01-22 12:42:51 | <Profpatsch> | Maybe I want something like one group per tab stack |
| 2022-01-22 12:44:20 | <geekosaur> | it sounds like you may have a confused idea of how layouts work |
| 2022-01-22 12:44:48 | <Profpatsch> | yes |
| 2022-01-22 12:45:07 | <Profpatsch> | I was hoping xmonad layouts just nest |
| 2022-01-22 12:45:10 | <Profpatsch> | but it doesn’t look that way |
| 2022-01-22 12:45:11 | <geekosaur> | you do not assign a window to a layout and switch layouts; that's workspaces |
| 2022-01-22 12:45:25 | <geekosaur> | layouts are alternative ways to arrange a workspace |
| 2022-01-22 12:45:41 | <Profpatsch> | So a workspace’s windows will always be a flat thing? |
| 2022-01-22 12:45:59 | <Profpatsch> | No way to group them and then nest them somehow? |
| 2022-01-22 12:46:13 | <geekosaur> | there are ways to split a workspace into multiple "virtual workspaces" each with its own layout, but addressing each such is more painful because it's not a real workspace |
| 2022-01-22 12:47:02 | <Profpatsch> | hm hm |
| 2022-01-22 12:47:58 | <Profpatsch> | But I certainly got to a point where I had a tab for each tiled window |
| 2022-01-22 12:48:18 | <geekosaur> | like, I can use Combo to use a layout to split the screen into two independent layouts. I can even move windows between those layouts. but I can;t control which one a new window will end up in; it depends on which one has focus |
| 2022-01-22 12:48:52 | <Profpatsch> | But that’s fine |
| 2022-01-22 12:49:06 | <Profpatsch> | I don’t want to be able to open stuff in random tabs, just the current tab |
| 2022-01-22 12:49:33 | <Profpatsch> | It’s okay if Mod+Shift+Enter opens a new tab and then the window in that |
| 2022-01-22 12:49:34 | <geekosaur> | tabs are fairly easy, if you want to add tabs to a normal layout instead of having them all full screen, wrap your layout in addTabsBottom with the right parameters to tell it how to build the tabs |
| 2022-01-22 12:50:24 | <geekosaur> | addTabsBottom myTabTheme shrinkText (layoutHook def) -- or similar |
| 2022-01-22 12:50:27 | <liskin> | I think the issue is that we can't really draw tabs for anything else than windows |
| 2022-01-22 12:51:24 | <liskin> | You can certainly nest tabs with another layout, both as tabs inside the layout and outside the layout, but there's nothing that would actually render the tabs if they're outside. |
| 2022-01-22 12:51:27 | <Profpatsch> | Okay, dumb alternative idea: Can I have 2-dimensional workspaces instead? |
| 2022-01-22 12:51:48 | <liskin> | I think there was a contrib module for that somewhere |
| 2022-01-22 12:52:05 | <geekosaur> | X.L.Plane |
| 2022-01-22 12:52:06 | <Profpatsch> | The X to my Y here is that I have an “editor” workspace on 8 |
| 2022-01-22 12:52:16 | <Profpatsch> | And at any given time I have like 3 editors open |
| 2022-01-22 12:52:32 | <Profpatsch> | And every editor has potentially a bunch of split windows, like emacs frames |
| 2022-01-22 12:52:40 | <Profpatsch> | So I want tiling on those editor workspaces |
| 2022-01-22 12:53:01 | <geekosaur> | note that xmonad can get fairly slow with that module inlay, because the StackSet isn't exactly an optimizaed data structure :) |
| 2022-01-22 12:53:04 | <Profpatsch> | Plane might be what I want actually! |
| 2022-01-22 12:53:20 | <Profpatsch> | I mean I’m not gonna open 20k windows |
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| 2022-01-22 12:53:40 | <Profpatsch> | I’m also open to switching to a different wm |
| 2022-01-22 12:53:57 | <Profpatsch> | esp since wayland is kinda on the horizon, any moment now |
| 2022-01-22 12:54:19 | <Profpatsch> | like, I’m not married to my 100 lines of xmonad conf :) |
| 2022-01-22 12:54:31 | <geekosaur> | I think they have more problems than they want to admit, and "any moment now" is a bit of a dream |
| 2022-01-22 12:54:41 | <Profpatsch> | yeah, something like 5–10 years |
| 2022-01-22 12:55:04 | <Profpatsch> | like how IPv6 is 20 years away if it ever happens |
| 2022-01-22 12:55:56 | <geekosaur> | ip6 is happening, just not for most home users because ISPs don't want to upgrade their equipment. but if you keep your eyes open there are plenty of ip6 connects to libera, for example |
| 2022-01-22 12:56:40 | <geekosaur> | (and then I'm not only on ip4 but also stuck behind something like 3 layers of nat :) |
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| 2022-01-22 13:35:48 | <fizzie> | https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html says 35% or so as the global average. Also based on the fact that weekends are consistently about 5% higher than weekdays, "home" networks are probably more IPv6 than "work" ones. |
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| 2022-01-22 13:37:15 | <geekosaur> | interesting |
| 2022-01-22 13:38:01 | <fizzie> | Well, in retrospect, maybe that's more a statement that _mobile_ networks are more IPv6 than your workplace wifi. |
| 2022-01-22 13:38:12 | <fizzie> | (I know a few big mobile operators at least went v6.) |
| 2022-01-22 13:39:01 | <geekosaur> | yeh, I know mine did |
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