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2021-09-13 12:23:02 <mc47[m]> Solid : did you figure out how to build your setup without relying on a build script?
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2021-09-13 12:53:14 <Solid> mc47[m]: yes; https://gitlab.com/slotThe/dotfiles/-/commit/25230b3171cba665ca39fba5d666a1792ee6c21f
2021-09-13 12:53:33 <Solid> I have sinced reverted that commit for unknown reasons, but I definitely remember it working :D
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2021-09-13 12:59:32 <mc47[m]> I'll give it a try, because I couldn't make it work
2021-09-13 12:59:35 <mc47[m]> Thank you!
2021-09-13 13:01:39 <Solid> if a dev couldn't make it work then we definitely either need more docs or a more robust handling of the stack story :)
2021-09-13 13:04:19 <mc47[m]> I know very little about stack, but I'll give my feedback when I figure this out (probably not today, but it depends if I'm motivated to work in a train)
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2021-09-13 14:26:28 <electr0n> Solid: how do you like KMonad? Been meaning to take it for a spin.
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2021-09-13 14:53:02 <xmonadcool> hi
2021-09-13 14:54:34 <xmonadcool> i wanna get tray icons in xmobar, found a thread on stackexchange but it has a really unusual way of doing it
2021-09-13 14:54:53 <xmonadcool> apparently if you leave a small gap in your xmobar for stalone tray
2021-09-13 14:54:56 <xmonadcool> itll work
2021-09-13 14:55:20 <xmonadcool> but i think thats unsual since what if i have more apps open and itll override xmobar
2021-09-13 14:55:26 <xmonadcool> i wouldnt like that
2021-09-13 14:55:39 <xmonadcool> how can i automatically expand xmobar depending on my tray icons?
2021-09-13 15:02:50 <electr0n> you will need something like trayer or standalonetray
2021-09-13 15:04:07 <Solid> electr0n: I think I'm obliged to say that I love it because I have a commit bit :>
2021-09-13 15:04:19 <Solid> but seriously, it's so great not having to edit .xmodmap files anymore
2021-09-13 15:04:44 <Solid> I couldn't use Emacs without it :)
2021-09-13 15:05:52 <Solid> xmonadcool: a lot of people seem to like this method: https://github.com/jaor/xmobar/issues/239#issuecomment-233206552
2021-09-13 15:17:54 <electr0n> I am messing with doing simple decorations on just 1 side of the window, and for the most part its working, I just cannot figure out why it also draws something on the top and displays the window title.
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2021-09-13 15:38:31 <electr0n> any recommendations?
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2021-09-13 19:38:03 <elonsroadster[m]> <xmonadcool> "i wanna get tray icons in xmobar..." <- Have you looked at taffybar?
2021-09-13 19:40:44 <elonsroadster[m]> xmonadcool I'm the author so obviously a bit biased, but it was sort of made explicitly because doing things like having a proper tray is so hard in xmobar. Taffybar is also written in haskell, and has really good tray support built in
2021-09-13 19:43:16 <elonsroadster[m]> <nurnochgeist> "say i have a workspace that..." <- I think the right approach to solving the problem you describe here is to have a way to replace a window in a layout with an existing window (possibly in another workspace or minimized) Here is a function which does this: https://github.com/IvanMalison/dotfiles/blob/f36ddc4cdd155e4dbb264092dcb6c896713b05e6/dotfiles/config/xmonad/xmonad.hs#L540
2021-09-13 19:46:26 <elonsroadster[m]> nurnochgeist: I see that liskin already suggested windowGo/windowBring, but this does not *quite* do what you want. I also realized that while the function I linked you does do exactly what you want, it also has a bunch of custom stuff that is related to my config. What you really want to look at is swapFocusedWith (see
2021-09-13 19:46:26 <elonsroadster[m]> https://github.com/IvanMalison/dotfiles/blob/f36ddc4cdd155e4dbb264092dcb6c896713b05e6/dotfiles/config/xmonad/xmonad.hs#L786) and something like my
2021-09-13 19:47:08 <elonsroadster[m]> * nurnochgeist: I see that liskin already suggested windowGo/windowBring, but this does not _quite_ do what you want. I also realized that while the function I linked you does do exactly what you want, it also has a bunch of custom stuff that is related to my config. What you really want to look at is swapFocusedWith (see
2021-09-13 19:47:08 <elonsroadster[m]> https://github.com/IvanMalison/dotfiles/blob/f36ddc4cdd155e4dbb264092dcb6c896713b05e6/dotfiles/config/xmonad/xmonad.hs#L786) and something like windowAct
2021-09-13 19:47:08 <elonsroadster[m]> If it's helpful, I'd be happy to make a PR to add something like swapFocusedWith to the windowBringer module.
2021-09-13 19:49:28 <elonsroadster[m]> <liskin> "so, um, is this active refusal..." <- liskin: That's a pretty unnecessarily uncharitable way to start a dialogue...
2021-09-13 19:49:52 <elonsroadster[m]> Where do you see ACTIVE refusal to document anything on my part?
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2021-09-13 19:54:37 <elonsroadster[m]> Also, I went out of my way to add nix support in https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/330 for a feature that I don't even use, because of your complaint that we have a flake.nix, but self-recompilation is not supported with that flake.
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2021-09-13 20:01:34 <elonsroadster[m]> FURTHERMORE, (you can be forgiven for not understanding this since you aren't familiar with nix), but the complaint doesn't even really make THAT much sense. Self-compilation IS supported through the xmonad nixpkgs module, which is what most (especially those who are newer to nix haskell will use anyway).... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/f676643b5f8f1d4badfe72de2225e432cdcd730a)
2021-09-13 20:04:28 <elonsroadster[m]> When I originally wrote the flake, I figured that most of these use cases would be things that only power users (people already familiar with both haskell and nix (and specifically nix flakes)) would want to do.
2021-09-13 20:04:28 <elonsroadster[m]> I think that this actually WILL be true in the future, but at the moment, because there are so many changes on master that have not yet made it into a release, there is quite a lot of interest in running from git master, even among those less familiar with nix/haskell.
2021-09-13 20:06:46 <liskin> elonsroadster[m]: well, it wasn't as much starting a discussion as me venting my frustration.
2021-09-13 20:06:48 <elonsroadster[m]> The super random issue that you seem to have found is a case of a less experienced user trying to run from master, but also trying to copy aspects of my xmonad setup (something I generally advise people, especially those who are less experienced not to do).
2021-09-13 20:07:32 <elonsroadster[m]> liskin: I think you should reconsider whether its actually fair for you to feel frustrated at me in this situation.
2021-09-13 20:08:42 <liskin> elonsroadster[m]: we two seem to have communication problems going back years, so I do think it is fair to be frustrated; you do not need to take that personally if you believe our misunderstandings are largely my fault
2021-09-13 20:11:17 <elonsroadster[m]> How would I not take someone calling me out (while also denigrating a tool that I obviously like and use) in a public setting personally?
2021-09-13 20:11:39 <elonsroadster[m]> that seems like a totally natural response to me.
2021-09-13 20:12:05 <liskin> elonsroadster[m]: One example of this communication problem is that you seem to think I complained about the lack of support for recompilation, while I'm quite convinced I merely complained that it is not documented how to recompile, or how to use the nix flake in general.
2021-09-13 20:12:31 <liskin> elonsroadster[m]: To which you reacted by adding the support for recompilation, without any attempt to document it.
2021-09-13 20:12:57 <elonsroadster[m]> In any case, to be clear, I am not against documenting anything here.
2021-09-13 20:13:44 <elonsroadster[m]> It's just that it takes time to do something like that, especially if you want to do it well.
2021-09-13 20:14:17 <elonsroadster[m]> It's actually something that I already started working on.
2021-09-13 20:14:31 <liskin> Indeed, that bit I understand very much. :-)
2021-09-13 20:14:51 <liskin> If you felt any sort of (time) pressure, that was not intended.

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