Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
| 2022-02-14 21:53:49 | <geekosaur> | quite a few haskell package maintainers have defected to nix, apparently |
| 2022-02-14 21:54:30 | <unknownbeing[m]> | Ugh |
| 2022-02-14 21:54:37 | <geekosaur> | and arch has always been problematic when it came to haskell packages anyway, because they made a maintenance decision that is easier on their package maintainers but a headache for package users |
| 2022-02-14 21:54:40 | <unknownbeing[m]> | That's so annoying |
| 2022-02-14 21:55:04 | <geekosaur> | there'snobody maintaining haskell packages for debian any more either |
| 2022-02-14 21:55:13 | <unknownbeing[m]> | Why? |
| 2022-02-14 21:55:21 | <geekosaur> | all went over to nix |
| 2022-02-14 21:55:25 | <unknownbeing[m]> | Why is haskell so unloved? :( |
| 2022-02-14 21:56:02 | <geekosaur> | it's not that it's unloved, it's that many haskellers prefer nix to manage their packages these days and don't care about distro packages |
| 2022-02-14 21:58:27 | <liskin> | compared to python and rust, haskell is unloved indeed, though |
| 2022-02-14 21:59:12 | <unknownbeing[m]> | :'C |
| 2022-02-14 21:59:29 | <unknownbeing[m]> | Dunno what to recommend to my friend then. Maybe qtile? |
| 2022-02-14 21:59:43 | <liskin> | a friend of my recently said that the community has bikeshedded themselves to death |
| 2022-02-14 22:00:02 | <liskin> | (which we've been doing too, admittedly :-/) |
| 2022-02-14 22:00:02 | <unknownbeing[m]> | Qtile community? |
| 2022-02-14 22:00:09 | <liskin> | unknownbeing[m]: haskell community |
| 2022-02-14 22:00:51 | <liskin> | well you can still recommend xmonad, it's not like it's on its death bed just yet |
| 2022-02-14 22:01:19 | <liskin> | there'll always be a way to install ghc on any distro and build xmonad with it |
| 2022-02-14 22:01:31 | <liskin> | just not necessarily via a distro package :-/ |
| 2022-02-14 22:01:44 | <unknownbeing[m]> | I'm wondering if I should just build xmonad from source |
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| 2022-02-14 23:34:17 | <geekosaur> | oh also as I just pointed out in #haskell, lots of packagers work not from hackage but from stackage LTS, and stackage LTS has been stuck for several months and who knows when they'll make a new LTS |
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| 2022-02-15 06:56:10 | <Solid> | I don't think installing GHC via the package manager is really the problem |
| 2022-02-15 06:56:23 | <Solid> | but even for rust many people are recommending rustup over distro packages as well so... |
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| 2022-02-15 10:32:16 | <geekosaur> | this has been a thing ever since perl started recommending installing directly over the package manager. couple decades ago |
| 2022-02-15 10:35:27 | <unknownbeing[m]> | This has really made me aware that when getting into a new language, it's good to make sure that it has a solid ecosystem around it |
| 2022-02-15 10:35:40 | <unknownbeing[m]> | Like python, C and many others |
| 2022-02-15 10:36:02 | <unknownbeing[m]> | Even Lisp seems to have a pretty decent ecosystem |
| 2022-02-15 10:40:01 | <Solid> | haskell's ecosystem is pretty decent in my book |
| 2022-02-15 10:40:20 | <Solid> | just don't trust what package maintainers say or do :> |
| 2022-02-15 10:49:55 | <geekosaur> | remember that a package maintainer's first priority is making packaging easier and fitting it into their package ecosystem |
| 2022-02-15 10:50:09 | <geekosaur> | not what makes life easier for users of that ecosystem |
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| 2022-02-15 11:01:52 | <Profpatsch> | might I recommend nix :P |
| 2022-02-15 11:05:14 | <liskin> | no |
| 2022-02-15 11:06:12 | <Profpatsch> | aww |
| 2022-02-15 11:14:13 | <geekosaur> | duplicating largeish chunks of my existing OS is not an option on this small machine, and paving it over and installing nixos isn't either |
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| 2022-02-15 11:28:25 | <Profpatsch> | geekosaur: GHC is rather larg-ish you are right :) |
| 2022-02-15 11:29:24 | <Profpatsch> | I wonder how much of a low-hanging fruit these are, since gzipped GHC is like 200MB and extracted GHC is 2GB |
| 2022-02-15 11:29:42 | <Profpatsch> | So it’s only about 10% information |
| 2022-02-15 11:30:08 | <Profpatsch> | otoh modern file systems are starting to have on-the-fly compression, so who knows if that will be relevant in 10 years |
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