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| 2022-08-14 21:42:41 | <isaacthekind[m]> | are there a plans to make xmonad compatible with wayland? |
| 2022-08-14 21:50:54 | <geekosaur> | xmonad itself, or any other X11 window manager, can't be. there are vague plans for an xmonad-alike for wayland but none of us can write it because we don't know wayland |
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| 2022-08-14 21:52:42 | <geekosaur> | in the meantime you can use sway, or if you're willing to accept the occasional crash see https://github.com/L-as/waymonad |
| 2022-08-14 21:53:17 | <geekosaur> | (wayland window managers are compositor plugins, or must come with compositors to plug themselves into) |
| 2022-08-14 22:03:25 | <isaacthekind[m]> | not for me personally, i'm just curious if there are plans to move. i'm under the impression that wayland has a lot of advantages over x11 |
| 2022-08-14 22:05:31 | <geekosaur> | it also has a bunch of disadvantages though. it's crashy still, it still doesn't handle multiple monitors even as well as x11 does (even though it has the potential to do better), etc. |
| 2022-08-14 22:06:49 | <geekosaur> | if an x11 component wigs out you can restart it. if something connected to the compositor wigs out your whole session is toast |
| 2022-08-14 22:09:16 | <geekosaur> | it still handles the case of an internal standard res monitor and an external 4k monitor worse than x11, even though it should be better |
| 2022-08-14 22:12:08 | <geekosaur> | red hat was forced by its customers to commit to x11 support through 2030 because they rejected wayland |
| 2022-08-14 22:18:38 | <geekosaur> | anyway, it's on the list, there isn't a lot of rush for it though |
| 2022-08-14 22:19:32 | <geekosaur> | we'll probably have to pay someone to write it given the compositor situation in wayland (that is, that we would have to provide our own and the compositor is effectively the equivalent of an X11 server) |
| 2022-08-14 22:22:28 | <geekosaur> | the current waymonad uses sway's compositor, which is a poor fit and leads to it being unstable |
| 2022-08-14 22:23:11 | <geekosaur> | especially since sway makes no promises about api/abi stability of wlroots for uses other than sway itself |
| 2022-08-14 22:29:24 | <isaacthekind[m]> | hmm ok i didn't realize there were trade offs, i thought basically that wayland was just the new thing |
| 2022-08-14 22:29:32 | <isaacthekind[m]> | good points |
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| 2022-08-14 22:44:20 | <geekosaur> | personally I'm still waiting for RH to find itself between a rock and a hard place |
| 2022-08-14 22:44:47 | <geekosaur> | its customers are still pissed that it forced them over to systemd when it wasn't stable |
| 2022-08-14 22:45:05 | <geekosaur> | they're not sitting still for the same with wayland |
| 2022-08-14 22:45:24 | <geekosaur> | but the gnome devs (who de facto are the wayland devs) keep trying to desupport x11 |
| 2022-08-14 22:46:23 | <geekosaur> | I suspect they're going to lose some major customers before it gets through that they mean it |
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| 2022-08-14 23:51:42 | <vreahli10> | Heya - I finished compiling xmonad a few hours ago, but after adding it to .xinitrc it runs, the process dies (somewhere), and Xorg stays running. Any ideas on troubleshooting or what to check? |
| 2022-08-14 23:55:32 | <geekosaur[m]> | What does your .xinitrc look like? |
| 2022-08-14 23:58:15 | <vreahli> | Currently: https://gist.github.com/vreahli/a89b54a6f343cca75636f4d75ca40a5c - ending with `exec xmonad` |
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| 2022-08-15 00:05:31 | <geekosaur> | that implies that xmonad was still running, since the X session would exit when xmonad does |
| 2022-08-15 00:05:40 | <geekosaur> | so what's your xmonad.hs? |
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| 2022-08-15 00:07:35 | <vreahli> | Current xmonad.hs here: https://gist.github.com/vreahli/00231e22e6a65feaa9c4db6c17d25677 (the three lines from the starter tutorial.) |
| 2022-08-15 00:08:15 | <geekosaur> | huh. that should not crash. how do you know that the process dies? |
| 2022-08-15 00:08:48 | <vreahli> | I guessed xmonad stopped because `killall xmonad` couldn't find a process, however `killall Xorg` was able to get rid of the blank screen and return me to the virtual console |
| 2022-08-15 00:09:11 | <vreahli> | I'm not certain the process died, but it's a guess '=D |
| 2022-08-15 00:09:32 | <geekosaur> | xmonad will have replaced itself by a process named xmonad-x86_64-linux (or whatever arch and system you're on) which is the compiled config |
| 2022-08-15 00:09:58 | <geekosaur> | what happens if you press alt-shift-return? (make sure xterm is installed) |
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| 2022-08-15 00:11:41 | <geekosaur> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/afWxOZ2v |
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| 2022-08-15 00:13:33 | <vreahli86> | Ah - good news - `~/.cache/xmonad/xmonad-x86_64-linux` is alive |
| 2022-08-15 00:14:35 | <vreahli86> | alt+shift+enter unfortunately doesn't do anything. FWIW, there's also no cursor present. |
| 2022-08-15 00:15:01 | <geekosaur> | that sounds odd |
| 2022-08-15 00:15:11 | <vreahli86> | goddangit - alt+shift+enter works! Apologies! |
| 2022-08-15 00:15:28 | <geekosaur> | again, is xterm installed? these days it's usually not, and overriding the terminal is one of the first things the tutorial has you do |
| 2022-08-15 00:15:39 | <geekosaur> | okay |
| 2022-08-15 00:16:09 | <vreahli86> | Yup! Xterm is installed, sorry about that! I kept using i3 shortcuts without thinking about it. |
| 2022-08-15 00:16:45 | <geekosaur> | alt-/ shows a cheatsheet if you need a reminder 🙂 |
| 2022-08-15 00:16:49 | <vreahli86> | Thank you for the help! FWIW I've been stuck on this for a few hours '=D |
| 2022-08-15 00:16:54 | <vreahli86> | I will never forget that one :D |
| 2022-08-15 00:17:12 | <geekosaur> | sorry alt-shift-/ aka alt-? |
| 2022-08-15 00:17:35 | <vreahli86> | It's all good, I got the cheat sheet up :) |
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