Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
| 2024-06-18 02:31:12 | <geekosaur> | kinda like we have `ewmh` that hooks in everything needed for EWMH to work |
| 2024-06-18 02:31:32 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Yeah, that makes sense. |
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| 2024-06-18 03:26:49 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Did the StackSet concept come from DWM? |
| 2024-06-18 03:29:25 | <geekosaur> | I don't think so |
| 2024-06-18 03:29:56 | <geekosaur> | The StackSet is based around zippers, which are functional data structures |
| 2024-06-18 03:30:35 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Oh... DWM just has a similar concept with a master and stack. |
| 2024-06-18 03:30:55 | <geekosaur> | yeh, but I think their stack is a standard array type |
| 2024-06-18 03:31:10 | <geekosaur> | you can do arrays in functional languages, but they're a bit clunky |
| 2024-06-18 03:32:21 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Yeah, that makes sense. |
| 2024-06-18 03:32:27 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Zippers are cool! |
| 2024-06-18 03:36:21 | <geekosaur> | (re clunky: either it's immutable and messes with GC a lot, or it's mutable and everything involving it has to be in IO or ST) |
| 2024-06-18 03:41:33 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> I've worked with Arrays in ST and it's painful! |
| 2024-06-18 03:44:50 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Is it possible to have the same window show up on different workspaces? |
| 2024-06-18 03:45:03 | <geekosaur> | XMonad.Actions.CopyWindow |
| 2024-06-18 03:45:25 | <geekosaur> | what does _not_ work is trying to display the same window on two screens, because X11 doesn't support it |
| 2024-06-18 03:45:47 | <geekosaur> | a compositor could do it, but no current compositor does |
| 2024-06-18 03:45:51 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Yeah... I knew about the latter caveat. |
| 2024-06-18 03:49:54 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Is there a message or function I can call to reset the state of the Tall or Mirror Tall layout after sending some Shrink or Expand messages? |
| 2024-06-18 03:50:26 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> As in, reset the size of the master pane to the default. |
| 2024-06-18 03:53:56 | <geekosaur> | not specifically, I think the best you can do is reset the whole layout (`asks (layout . config) >>= setLayout`) |
| 2024-06-18 03:54:30 | <geekosaur> | (well, it only resets the current workspace at least) |
| 2024-06-18 03:55:22 | <geekosaur> | uh, `asks (layoutHook . config) >>= setLayout` |
| 2024-06-18 03:55:50 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Yeah... I was hoping to be able to reset it but stay in Tall / Mirror Tall as I was before. But it's fine. I can just reset with "M-S-<Space>" as is the default. |
| 2024-06-18 03:57:20 | <geekosaur> | I'm not sure that could even be done with a layout message, it wouldn't have access to the defaults, only its current state |
| 2024-06-18 03:58:25 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Oh... Right... |
| 2024-06-18 03:58:28 | <geekosaur> | the defaults are in the layoutHook, but that's effectively a function composed of chained data constructors so it can't be introspected to retrieve specific values from it |
| 2024-06-18 03:58:30 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> I know how Haskell works... |
| 2024-06-18 03:59:01 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> What does Mod Shift Space do by default? Like what action does it run? |
| 2024-06-18 03:59:33 | <geekosaur> | the one I pasted above (`asks …`) |
| 2024-06-18 04:00:07 | <geekosaur> | come to think of it,since layoutHook is composed of data constructors, you could `show` it and parse the result. it'd be a massive pain |
| 2024-06-18 04:00:38 | <geekosaur> | and if `Tall` is in it twice you probably won't be able to tell which one applies |
| 2024-06-18 04:03:28 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Yeah... that makes sense. I'd probably have to write my own version of Tall that stores the defaults if I wanted this. That's too much work.. |
| 2024-06-18 05:33:30 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Is there anywhere I can go to see how the Binary Space Partition Layout works from a user's point of view? Like, I want to know what sort of features that layout will give me. Is it trying to emulate what BSPWM is trying to do? |
| 2024-06-18 05:59:14 | <Leary> | geekosaur: Improving layout state persistence is one of the problems I used to occupy my mind with when I went for runs. On the basic side: we could keep static config in the layoutHook while storing dynamic state (of potentially another type) per workspace, and have LayoutClass provide a method to apply the dynamic changes. This should also be easy to shoehorn in as a non-breaking opt-in feature, the key change being something like: `class ... => Layout |
| 2024-06-18 05:59:15 | <Leary> | Class l a where { type Dynamic l a; type Dynamic l a = l a; apply :: Dynamic l a -> l a -> l a; default apply :: Dynamic l a ~ l a => l a -> l a -> l a; apply = const; handleMessage :: Dynamic l a -> SomeMessage -> X (Maybe (Dynamic l a)); ... }` |
| 2024-06-18 06:00:31 | <Leary> | On the advanced side, to still persist things when the layout type changes is feasible with tree-diff like techniques, but the payoff isn't enough to suffer through the complexity. |
| 2024-06-18 06:02:02 | <Leary> | Especially since, yeah, it can only achieve "best guess". |
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| 2024-06-18 15:56:07 | <geekosaur> | @iqubic, yes re BSP |
| 2024-06-18 15:56:07 | <lambdabot> | Unknown command, try @list |
| 2024-06-18 15:56:54 | <geekosaur> | we have a ticket to provide that kind of thing for layouts as part of upgrading the config archive, but it's stalled 😞 |
| 2024-06-18 16:17:32 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> What do you mean by "yes re BSP"? |
| 2024-06-18 16:35:50 | <geekosaur> | [18 05:33:30] <haskellbridge> <iqubic (she/her)> Is there anywhere I can go to see how the Binary Space Partition Layout works from a user's point of view? Like, I want to know what sort of features that layout will give me. Is it trying to emulate what BSPWM is trying to do? |
| 2024-06-18 16:37:50 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Ah. Makes sense. I prefer automatic tiling layouts myself. I don't feel the need to micromanage my windows and where they go. |
| 2024-06-18 16:40:56 | <geekosaur> | it does autotile, but it also gives you the ability to rearrange its partitions |
| 2024-06-18 16:41:53 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> How many windows do you have open on each workspace, on average? |
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