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2024-09-05 23:14:14 <mml> i've been an xmonad user for years. i used debian (bookworm rigth now) and usually hand-craft a .xsession but always have trouble getting some "normal" debian things to work. currently it's sound
2024-09-05 23:15:26 <mml> there's a nice little control panel that comes up with "normal" debian desktop environments, but i don't know how to get it. it controls pipewire. can anybody offer suggestions?
2024-09-05 23:15:52 <mml> to make matters worse on myself, perhaps, i also use old-fashioned xdm. not sure if that will matter.
2024-09-05 23:27:15 <mml> pavucontrol, it turns out
2024-09-05 23:29:04 <geekosaur> yes, generally you need to start additional things. desktop managers do this for you
2024-09-06 01:25:45 <burp> you could use xmonad as the window manager in your desktop environment, at least these things used to be possible
2024-09-06 01:26:37 <burp> there's some guides https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad (potentially outdated)
2024-09-06 01:31:40 <geekosaur> I use xmonad as window manager for MATE, and keep the instructions up to date
2024-09-06 01:32:46 <geekosaur> you can also run a panel that supports the EWMH panel applet and indicator applet protocols, which will let you use things like sound managers and nm-applet
2024-09-06 01:33:09 <geekosaur> (xmobar doesn't support either but can be used with trayer. I think polybar supports both)
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2024-09-06 04:15:51 <burp> I use stalonetray, works reasonably well
2024-09-06 04:16:23 <burp> but wouldn't be able to compare it to anything else, I rarely really need it
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2024-09-06 07:44:26 <liskin> mml: I just use startx on Debian and stuff mostly works - pipewire is started in the user systemd instance the moment I log in
2024-09-06 07:48:23 <liskin> there's possibly a few bits that are only started via graphical-session-pre.target and graphical-session.target but I don't think there's much (I mean, I do use these now, but for years I didn't and everything was fine)
2024-09-06 07:48:42 <liskin> stuff like dbus and ssh-agent is started by /etc/X11/Xsession
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2024-09-06 09:29:14 <deebo> geekosaur: do you use e.g. mate-display-properties? or the xrandr plugin for mate-settings-daemon? i'm having a lot of annoying issues with these on fedora, having to delete .config/monitors.xml and toggling the xrandr plugin on/off every related package update
2024-09-06 09:33:12 <geekosaur> on my previous laptop the DisplayPort went bad, and mate-settings-daemon/mate-display/properties has been deranged ever since. I use arandr
2024-09-06 09:34:23 <geekosaur> removing monitors.xml diesn't help for some reason, mate-display-properties recreates it and goees into an infinite loop on startup
2024-09-06 09:34:35 <geekosaur> (this laptop doesn't even have a DP output)
2024-09-06 10:05:59 <deebo> yeah i use a dock with 3 monitors and every time i upadte related packages the new versions can't use the old monitors.xml
2024-09-06 10:06:20 <deebo> not sure if fedora specific since i've always used mate + xrandr plugin and never had problems before
2024-09-06 10:08:40 <deebo> lsmod lists nouveau for the second gpu that i never specifically use, could be somehow tied to that
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2024-09-06 23:09:06 <haskellbridge> <Mist> @slot-:matrix.org how did you manage to get https://tony-zorman.com/posts/xmonad-on-nixos.html working? I attempted to replicate the same setup but somehow I keep winding up with a very strange error
2024-09-06 23:10:45 <haskellbridge> <Mist> I added the following code after importing the xmonad-contrib nix module:
2024-09-06 23:10:45 <haskellbridge> ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_matrix/media/v3/download/kf8nh.com/qugMGkQHaiZbJpykDdAwejew (15 lines)
2024-09-06 23:19:32 <haskellbridge> <Mist> Disabling everything and having only "xmonad.enable = true;" complains about a non-existing option
2024-09-07 01:29:29 Guest51 joins (~Guest51@2603:8000:6f00:2842::1673)
2024-09-07 01:31:17 <Guest51> main :: IO ()
2024-09-07 01:31:18 <Guest51> main = xmonad
2024-09-07 01:31:18 <Guest51>      . ewmhFullscreen
2024-09-07 01:31:19 <Guest51>      . ewmh
2024-09-07 01:31:19 <Guest51>      . dynamicEasySBs barSpawner
2024-09-07 01:31:20 <Guest51>      $ myConfig
2024-09-07 01:31:20 <Guest51> Hi I just updated my xmonad after a year, its not happy with this current set up for barSpawner
2024-09-07 01:31:27 <Guest51> Errors detected while compiling xmonad config: /home/jrgiacone/.config/xmonad/xmonad.hs
2024-09-07 01:31:28 <Guest51> $ /home/jrgiacone/.config/xmonad/build /home/jrgiacone/.cache/xmonad/xmonad-x86_64-linux
2024-09-07 01:31:28 <Guest51> xmonad.hs:69:23: error:
2024-09-07 01:31:29 <Guest51>     • Couldn't match type ‘IO StatusBarConfig’ with ‘X StatusBarConfig’
2024-09-07 01:31:29 <Guest51>       Expected type: ScreenId -> X StatusBarConfig
2024-09-07 01:31:30 <Guest51>         Actual type: ScreenId -> IO StatusBarConfig
2024-09-07 01:31:30 <Guest51>     • In the first argument of ‘dynamicEasySBs’, namely ‘barSpawner’

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