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2021-06-13 23:21:13 <iDead> heyyy, anyone up? need some help with point free notation
2021-06-13 23:21:38 <dminuoso> @pl \x -> (x,) <$> f x
2021-06-13 23:21:38 <lambdabot> (line 1, column 9):
2021-06-13 23:21:38 <lambdabot> unexpected ","
2021-06-13 23:21:38 <lambdabot> expecting letter or digit, variable, "(", operator or ")"
2021-06-13 23:21:39 <geekosaur> there's probably a few people here, and there's lambdabot
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2021-06-13 23:22:29 <DigitalKiwi> i'm only good at pointless conversation ;(
2021-06-13 23:22:36 <geekosaur> preferably without things it doesn't parse like tuple sections
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2021-06-13 23:23:48 <Clint> you'd think it would have spontaneously learned by now
2021-06-13 23:24:03 <iDead> ;) i'm working on mutual recursion and catamorphism's* (pardon my french but i'm not native)
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2021-06-13 23:25:56 <iDead> can someone help me find a point free notation for the average of a list?
2021-06-13 23:26:01 <DigitalKiwi> Clint: it took me a minute to realize you meant lambdabot and not me ;(
2021-06-13 23:27:18 <DigitalKiwi> http://pointfree.io/ does your function fit in the box
2021-06-13 23:27:57 <iDead> DigitalKiwi very much appreciated :)
2021-06-13 23:29:23 <Clint> DigitalKiwi: ha
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2021-06-13 23:32:23 <monochrom> Summing is a catamorphism. Finding length is also a catamorphism. You can also do both at once, computing the tuple (sum, length) is also a catamorphism. These are all good exercises.
2021-06-13 23:32:39 <monochrom> But I doubt that making them pointfree is a good exercise.
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2021-06-13 23:34:22 <zfnmxt> DigitalKiwi: Do you have any restrictions/allowences aside from just "pointfree"?
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2021-06-13 23:35:32 <DigitalKiwi> i'm not supposed to be fed after midnight
2021-06-13 23:36:05 <zfnmxt> Oh, sorry. Wrong person. :)
2021-06-13 23:36:21 <zfnmxt> DigitalKiwi: (if I feed you will you forgive me?)
2021-06-13 23:37:03 <DigitalKiwi> absolutely
2021-06-13 23:37:14 <monochrom> They say no water too, but now I wonder about wine, whiskey, rubbing alcohol. >:)
2021-06-13 23:37:22 hpc_ is now known as hpc
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2021-06-13 23:37:49 <Clint> ammonia
2021-06-13 23:38:02 <DigitalKiwi> doc said i need to cut back on my rubbing alcohol consumption
2021-06-13 23:38:18 <monochrom> :)
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2021-06-13 23:40:14 <monochrom> I just notice that the topic includes "#matrix bridge should be coming soon". Is it outdated? Maybe I should delete that part.
2021-06-13 23:40:30 <geekosaur> I think it's still technically in testing?
2021-06-13 23:40:34 <zfnmxt> I'm using the bridge right now.
2021-06-13 23:41:06 <geekosaur> it can lag a bit still
2021-06-13 23:41:52 <monochrom> There ar a lot of "formally still in beta" out there that are, like, tenured beta, so it's as permanent and final as you could get.
2021-06-13 23:42:23 <monochrom> And it is not like one day they will simply declare "the test has failed, goodbye".
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2021-06-13 23:44:14 <Clint> unless it's google
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2021-06-13 23:44:49 <monochrom> And a lot of standard Haskell packages have "stability: experiment" to this date, for example mtl
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2021-06-13 23:45:44 <hpc> stability should just be (version < 1.0.0.0)
2021-06-13 23:45:48 geekosaur shrugs
2021-06-13 23:46:03 ChanServ sets mode +o geekosaur
2021-06-13 23:46:14 geekosaur sets topic to "https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell | Admin: #haskell-ops | Offtopic: #haskell-offtopic | https://downloads.haskell.org | Paste code/errors: https://paste.tomsmeding.com | tunes.org-style logging should be coming soon | Logs: https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/lchaskell"
2021-06-13 23:46:18 <monochrom> Thanks.
2021-06-13 23:46:48 <dminuoso> monochrom: Does the stability matter at all? As long as the field has no (de-facto) standardized meaning/patterns of values, it's useless anyhow,.
2021-06-13 23:46:53 <geekosaur> I wonder about the rest of that because tunes.org was already down (people reporting it requested username/password) while we were still on Freenode
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2021-06-13 23:47:30 <dminuoso> Like if I wrote "stable" you would have no way of understanding what that even meant.
2021-06-13 23:47:42 geekosaur sets mode -o geekosaur
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2021-06-13 23:47:55 <monochrom> Yeah I wouldn't touch the tunes.org log part, I know nothing about it.
2021-06-13 23:47:56 <dminuoso> (Id argue that stability should be removed for that reason alone)
2021-06-13 23:47:57 <DigitalKiwi> some of my most reliable/well tested software never left "alpha" lol
2021-06-13 23:48:29 <geekosaur> "there is nothing so permanent as a quick hack"
2021-06-13 23:48:57 <dminuoso> Yup, we say this a lot at $work
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2021-06-13 23:49:18 <DigitalKiwi> https://github.com/Kiwi/clyde#readme
2021-06-13 23:49:27 <monochrom> dminuoso: So I think the stability field was invented before PVP. And in a time when people still hoped that stable API could be attained over time.
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2021-06-13 23:49:52 <dminuoso> Does PVP invalidate stability?
2021-06-13 23:50:10 <dminuoso> PVP does not prevent you from bumping a major version every day..
2021-06-13 23:50:14 <geekosaur> it was also borrowed from other package repositories which hadn't yet concluded that "stable" meant "dead"
2021-06-13 23:50:25 <monochrom> PVP solves the stability question.
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2021-06-13 23:50:47 <monochrom> Every x.y.*.* is stable.
2021-06-13 23:50:50 <hpc> every version is stable because package uploads are immutable, and you set upper bounds on dependencies right?
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2021-06-13 23:51:17 <monochrom> PVP acknoledges the reality that, in general, you have multiple stable states, not just one single stable state.
2021-06-13 23:51:25 <monochrom> Yes hpc.
2021-06-13 23:51:40 <hpc> oh, that was "right?" as in "wink wink nudge nudge"
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2021-06-13 23:51:47 <hpc> :P
2021-06-13 23:51:53 <monochrom> Ah OK, yes I agree :)

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