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| 2026-01-05 21:00:42 | <monochrom> | That reminds me. Perhaps most people's "simple" means "minimum number of apps compatible with most friends". This is known as max-flow-min-cut. >:) |
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| 2026-01-05 21:02:34 | <monochrom> | This also explains adoption of programming languages. The minimum number of languages to learn such that... |
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| 2026-01-05 21:03:26 | <tomsmeding> | ... such that you can annoy the most people by using the wrong language? |
| 2026-01-05 21:03:31 | <monochrom> | haha |
| 2026-01-05 21:05:29 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> jreicher too much choice, combined with 95% of the choices being so dissappointing as to stop the whole process |
| 2026-01-05 21:05:44 | <tomsmeding> | what matrix client do you use? |
| 2026-01-05 21:06:04 | <dolio> | Yeah, isn't that exactly a description of matrix clients? |
| 2026-01-05 21:06:06 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> A bad one, as they all are :D |
| 2026-01-05 21:06:10 | <monochrom> | IRC is so simple it can be fundamentally disapointing to young people to be honest. |
| 2026-01-05 21:06:13 | <tomsmeding> | dolio: that's why I was asking :D |
| 2026-01-05 21:06:38 | <EvanR> | monochrom, is this why if I want encryption on IRC I have to uses SSL xD (the most popular encryption but not simple) |
| 2026-01-05 21:06:41 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> The simplicity of irc makes it worse because the voice in my head tells me to write my own |
| 2026-01-05 21:07:11 | <tomsmeding> | https://tools.suckless.org/ii/ |
| 2026-01-05 21:07:13 | <monochrom> | e.g., no images, no code snippet, no PDF, no TeX, no emojis, no this, no that... |
| 2026-01-05 21:07:19 | <EvanR> | on the subject of writing your own IRC client ... you have to have encryption now |
| 2026-01-05 21:07:33 | <EvanR> | creating a big gap |
| 2026-01-05 21:07:56 | <mauke> | I do? |
| 2026-01-05 21:08:05 | <EvanR> | on libera isn't it required |
| 2026-01-05 21:08:13 | <monochrom> | I think it's s/SSL/TLS/ strictly speaking but yeah. |
| 2026-01-05 21:08:41 | <tomsmeding> | why did they rename that again |
| 2026-01-05 21:08:44 | <monochrom> | No it isn't required on libera. |
| 2026-01-05 21:08:50 | <EvanR> | oh good |
| 2026-01-05 21:09:04 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> If it's tls then it's simple to use a library, if it's something on top of openssl routines it could be annoying to get right |
| 2026-01-05 21:09:06 | <jreicher> | All fair comments. I don't use the "popular" clients at all, but I forget that not everyone is as prepared to be unpopular. :p |
| 2026-01-05 21:09:26 | <mauke> | I was wondering how preflex was still online |
| 2026-01-05 21:09:28 | <EvanR> | if unpopular isn't too much work I'm all for it |
| 2026-01-05 21:09:45 | <jreicher> | It might make running for president a bit a tricky. |
| 2026-01-05 21:10:02 | <EvanR> | looks at the presidents approval rating |
| 2026-01-05 21:10:07 | <EvanR> | seems fine |
| 2026-01-05 21:10:32 | <Milan_Vanca> | Encryption on IRC is useless when channels are public either way. |
| 2026-01-05 21:10:44 | <EvanR> | big thonk on that one |
| 2026-01-05 21:10:52 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Authentication is useful still |
| 2026-01-05 21:10:56 | <jreicher> | Isn't it more for MitM? |
| 2026-01-05 21:11:01 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Exactly |
| 2026-01-05 21:11:03 | <EvanR> | this is false, because you don't want your chat to be altered along the way |
| 2026-01-05 21:11:09 | trickard_ | is now known as trickard |
| 2026-01-05 21:11:12 | <mauke> | I don't? |
| 2026-01-05 21:11:42 | <Milan_Vanca> | EvanR: hmm.. |
| 2026-01-05 21:11:42 | <EvanR> | you keep man in the middling my pronouns |
| 2026-01-05 21:12:47 | <EvanR> | message integrity codes |
| 2026-01-05 21:13:15 | <monochrom> | IMO I don't need encryption or authentication for my IRC because other people don't have economic incentives to do MiTM on my IRC for example. |
| 2026-01-05 21:13:29 | <EvanR> | what was that giant attack on christmas |
| 2026-01-05 21:13:34 | <EvanR> | economic incentive? |
| 2026-01-05 21:13:37 | <EvanR> | xD |
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| 2026-01-05 21:13:53 | <EvanR> | people will do shit for free |
| 2026-01-05 21:14:05 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Which attack? |
| 2026-01-05 21:14:19 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> But in case of mitm you have to be in the middle, and that's hard for a script kiddie |
| 2026-01-05 21:14:23 | <EvanR> | a seemingly novel botnet relay |
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| 2026-01-05 21:14:43 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Oh. There was also an attack on matrix network around cristmas |
| 2026-01-05 21:14:44 | <EvanR> | fucking with us for no reason |
| 2026-01-05 21:14:52 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> So they just hate open source huh |
| 2026-01-05 21:14:52 | <mauke> | it's called the "war on christmas" |
| 2026-01-05 21:14:57 | <EvanR> | lol |
| 2026-01-05 21:15:28 | <monochrom> | But lately I still switched to encryption and SASL because during that christmas attack, libera may blacklist some IP ranges but said it would let me through if I had SASL. |
| 2026-01-05 21:16:48 | <jreicher> | Did they allow plain SASL during that time? (I wasn't around) |
| 2026-01-05 21:16:58 | <monochrom> | I don't know. |
| 2026-01-05 21:17:12 | <monochrom> | But on normal days they do. |
| 2026-01-05 21:17:34 | <monochrom> | BTW I had SASL set up, my IP address was no longer blocked. :) |
| 2026-01-05 21:17:50 | <jreicher> | Oh yes, that's what I do, and obviously SASL is not offering extra security in that case. I use that mechanism more as a nickserv convenience. |
| 2026-01-05 21:18:00 | <EvanR> | I use plain sasl but never got kicked |
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| 2026-01-05 21:18:51 | <monochrom> | Err, s/BTW/by the time/ |
| 2026-01-05 21:18:55 | <EvanR> | client still says I'm using SSL |
| 2026-01-05 21:19:23 | <monochrom> | Perhaps your client turns on SSL behind your back? |
| 2026-01-05 21:19:42 | <monochrom> | This is known as MiTM security enhancement. >:) |
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