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| 2025-10-30 13:45:56 | <kuribas> | I did open-source first for a long time, and was shocked about industry. |
| 2025-10-30 13:46:14 | <kuribas> | It's more about kissing peoples asses and churning out features quick, don't mind quality. |
| 2025-10-30 13:47:12 | <kuribas> | If you create code that has little bugs, people don't see it, when it has lots of bugs, people go "look how fast this guy solves bugs"!. |
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| 2025-10-30 13:48:32 | <kuribas> | Sorry, feeling sarcastic today. |
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| 2025-10-30 13:59:23 | <TMA> | kuribas: it is the same with plumbers... bad plumbers display more effort and are tipped more than competent ones. custom software is a service, performative aspects are therefore much more important there |
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| 2025-10-30 14:13:18 | <kuribas> | TMA: they do? |
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| 2025-10-30 14:17:31 | <kuribas> | I suppose I don't know if a plumber did a good job in my home, unless the pipes break some time later. |
| 2025-10-30 14:17:40 | <TMA> | kuribas: it is the theatrical performance that makes the difference. the client needs to see the worker expending the effort |
| 2025-10-30 14:18:48 | <kuribas> | right |
| 2025-10-30 14:19:56 | <TMA> | kuribas: if you don't see the performance, the effect vanishes. I have much lower opinion of the plumber that did some fixing in my mother's flat because I did not see him doing it. my mother has seen him doing it and considered the fix be of higher quality than I would assess |
| 2025-10-30 14:21:08 | <TMA> | software development service is the same: no bugs == no opportunity to show effort fixing them fast == lower perceived value of the service |
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| 2025-10-30 14:22:17 | <tomsmeding> | TMA: well spoken |
| 2025-10-30 14:22:34 | <lortabac> | kuribas: it depends on the company and also which industry you are in |
| 2025-10-30 14:22:37 | <TMA> | it is like the LLMs spitting out nonsense and then going "good catch, I goofed" |
| 2025-10-30 14:23:23 | <tomsmeding> | (not sure about that one; that's just annoying) |
| 2025-10-30 14:23:41 | <lortabac> | I can tell you from experience that there are companies where quality is recognized and valued |
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| 2025-10-30 14:24:34 | <tomsmeding> | what TMA describes fundamentally comes from a non-knowledgeable person being tasked with assessing value |
| 2025-10-30 14:26:45 | <kuribas> | sadly management are often non-knowledgeable. |
| 2025-10-30 14:27:00 | <kuribas> | It least on technical details of the product. |
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| 2025-10-30 14:28:43 | <tomsmeding> | and perhaps it is that part that most depends on the company, resulting also in lortabac's experience |
| 2025-10-30 14:30:28 | <lortabac> | yes, in my experience a manager with technical competency helps a lot |
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| 2025-10-30 14:30:55 | <lortabac> | *competence |
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| 2025-10-30 14:35:19 | <TMA> | I have experienced managers that were proud of their domain incompetence. Not being "tainted" by understanding the domain was a virtue to them. |
| 2025-10-30 14:36:00 | <TMA> | Business/economic school graduates, all of them |
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| 2025-10-30 14:43:25 | <kuribas> | Or the domain is not software development. The managers understand their domain, but not how to manage a software team. |
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| 2025-10-30 15:08:43 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Who is administering the bridge? Since some time ago I don't get @-ed when someone mentions my name on irc, it stays as regular text. I remember it used to work, did something change? |
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| 2025-10-30 15:16:39 | <tomsmeding> | geekosaur: ^ |
| 2025-10-30 15:17:39 | <geekosaur> | it's possible, I update the docker container weekly and heisenbridge has introduced bugs before |
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| 2025-10-30 15:20:50 | <geekosaur> | although I note that I got pinged Matrix-side by Tom's ping; that may mean it only pings if it's the first thing on the line (which mismatches most but not all IRC clients) |
| 2025-10-30 15:21:47 | <geekosaur> | Morj: testing |
| 2025-10-30 15:21:54 | <tomsmeding> | testing for geekosaur |
| 2025-10-30 15:22:23 | <geekosaur> | that one pinged me too |
| 2025-10-30 15:22:24 | <tomsmeding> | I think, by default (not sure to what extent that depends on the client being Element), one's nick is recognised on matrix anywhere in a message |
| 2025-10-30 15:22:45 | <tomsmeding> | to the point that it's even recognised when it occurs in the header of the quote in the plain-text version of a standard reply! |
| 2025-10-30 15:22:53 | <geekosaur> | yes, but the client has to send mentions as part of the message |
| 2025-10-30 15:22:55 | <tomsmeding> | which is why replies ping you |
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| 2025-10-30 15:23:14 | <tomsmeding> | oh really? |
| 2025-10-30 15:23:17 | <tomsmeding> | oh _mentions_, yes |
| 2025-10-30 15:23:35 | <geekosaur> | you can see this if you look at the original message (don't recall how you do this in Element, it's in the right-click menu in Nheko) |
| 2025-10-30 15:23:40 | <geekosaur> | "view raw message" |
| 2025-10-30 15:24:36 | <tomsmeding> | TIL |
| 2025-10-30 15:25:19 | <tomsmeding> | (it's three-dots menu on a message -> view source) |
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