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2021-08-19 19:01:54 <carbolymer> what monochrom said
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2021-08-19 19:02:09 [exa] opens the website
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2021-08-19 19:02:50 <monochrom> I still haven't used shelly or turtle because I took a very brief look (could be unfair) and thought "thanks, I'll go back to bash".
2021-08-19 19:04:03 <Lycurgus> zsh want's to be bash these days
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2021-08-19 19:04:35 <[exa]> is it just a bunch of shell-like IO functions?
2021-08-19 19:04:47 <Lycurgus> i use it but by running it from bash mostly
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2021-08-19 19:05:59 <Lycurgus> HsSHellScript is what I seem to have selected
2021-08-19 19:06:41 <carbolymer> [exa]: yeah, mostly
2021-08-19 19:06:50 <[exa]> carbolymer: it's got no | pipe or I/O < redirections?
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2021-08-19 19:08:06 <[exa]> oh my
2021-08-19 19:08:16 <carbolymer> monochrom: more or less what I think, but then suddenly I find myself doing loops, arrays and default values in bash and I wonder "why am I doing this to myself"
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2021-08-19 19:09:06 <[exa]> loops in bash are m'kay if you do them with `while read` or so
2021-08-19 19:09:39 <carbolymer> 'while read' = a language without proper loops so let's agree on using those hacks
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2021-08-19 19:10:58 <[exa]> how's that not a proper loop? it loops here :D
2021-08-19 19:11:24 <carbolymer> Lycurgus: and how do you like it? at first glance it seems to have similar amount of boilerplate comparing to turtle
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2021-08-19 19:12:20 <Lycurgus> carbolymer, not really used yet, just selected prima facie by it's looks compared to the others
2021-08-19 19:12:34 <fresheyeball> does anyone know where hls keeps sqlite?
2021-08-19 19:12:44 <fresheyeball> I think if I can delete it's sqlite it will start working again
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2021-08-19 19:12:51 <Lycurgus> i need a shell thing for hs, lisp and prolog and it's the hs choice
2021-08-19 19:12:55 <fresheyeball> haskell-language-server-8.6.5: SQLite3 returned ErrorIO while attempting to perform step: disk I/O error
2021-08-19 19:13:47 <[exa]> fresheyeball: o man, perhaps check `dmesg`
2021-08-19 19:14:15 <fresheyeball> [exa]:I don't understand
2021-08-19 19:14:18 <fresheyeball> what is dmesg
2021-08-19 19:15:19 <[exa]> sounds like your disk may be slightly failing, checking the kernel log is usually the way to see if it's really disk or something less fatal
2021-08-19 19:16:08 <fresheyeball> I don't think so
2021-08-19 19:16:13 <fresheyeball> I think the sqlite is corrupted
2021-08-19 19:16:31 <fresheyeball> This is a brand new NVMe and has no other indictation of problems
2021-08-19 19:16:38 <joeyh> I have seen sqlite fail with that exact message on some filesystems due to problems with locking
2021-08-19 19:17:07 <fresheyeball> question is, how to get hls to clean up after itself
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2021-08-19 19:19:03 <cryptogainz> Sooo, no one here interested in Cardano/Plutus?
2021-08-19 19:19:23 <fresheyeball> cryptogainz: how can I help you?
2021-08-19 19:20:04 <fresheyeball> my company writes plutus
2021-08-19 19:20:14 <fresheyeball> or writes IN plutus
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2021-08-19 19:20:57 <cryptogainz> Well I'm struggling to understand some Cardano/Plutus notions. Are you familiar with the blockchain itself?
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2021-08-19 19:21:55 <[exa]> cryptogainz: don't ask to ask, just ask
2021-08-19 19:22:18 <[exa]> cryptogainz: at worst the question won't be on topic and we'll send you to offtopic channel.
2021-08-19 19:22:41 <jacks2> kuribas, do you know about upcoming RecordDotSyntax extension?
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2021-08-19 19:23:17 <kuribas> jack2: not much...
2021-08-19 19:24:06 <kuribas> jack2: looks neat, from what I have seen. But I'll wait until it is in a stable ghc version.
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2021-08-19 19:24:21 <cryptogainz> Well, it's a long question so here it goes. Cardano tokens live natively on the blockchain. Unlike Solidity tokens which are being minted through a smart contract (which includes gimmicks like taxes per tx, etc.) Cardano tokens are pure tokens. After that, you need Plutus smart contracts (or scripts as they call them) to make the tokens "gimmicky". My question is actually, how would that work in practice? I mint a token, I
2021-08-19 19:24:21 <cryptogainz> wrote a Plutus script and then what? I send the token to the smart contract address (if there even is such a thing)? Maybe this is offtopic but I don't know who to ask if not Plutus/Haskell devs
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2021-08-19 19:25:43 <[exa]> ok it's slightly offtopic :]
2021-08-19 19:25:47 <fresheyeball> cryptogainz: so you can mint tokens
2021-08-19 19:26:14 <fresheyeball> they don't need to be related to ADA specifically
2021-08-19 19:26:18 <fresheyeball> you can shitcoin
2021-08-19 19:26:30 <fresheyeball> keep in mind, you can have arbitrary state
2021-08-19 19:26:37 <fresheyeball> that state could be a second ledger
2021-08-19 19:27:21 <[exa]> and I'm totally lost in bitcoin jargon it seems
2021-08-19 19:27:37 <jacks2> kuribas, it will ship with the next stable version
2021-08-19 19:27:40 <cryptogainz> How do you mean they don't need to be related to ADA specifically?
2021-08-19 19:28:05 <cryptogainz> Hahaha exa, yea, it's hard to keep up with everything
2021-08-19 19:30:50 <sm> cryptogainz: sounds like you got luck and found an expert, but also there's the free plutus training materials
2021-08-19 19:31:29 <cryptogainz> Well, I tried the first 3 "lectures" but unfortunately this wasn't explained at all so I was hoping someone here knew the answer before I went through 12-13 extra hours of lectures
2021-08-19 19:31:35 <jacks2> kuribas, I don't know how to post links to reddit posts [share link doesn't work], so here's a copy/pasted example. some are not thrilled with this extension, but personally, I can't wait for it. https://pastebin.com/47siAfMk
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2021-08-19 19:33:28 <sm> I hear that
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2021-08-19 19:35:29 <kuribas> jacks2: not polluting the namespace with accessor functions will be great.
2021-08-19 19:37:55 <jacks2> yes
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