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2021-07-25 19:52:32 → agua joins (~agua@191.177.175.57)
2021-07-25 19:52:36 <maerwald> distros give you burnout :)
2021-07-25 19:52:36 <drakonis> is it ever
2021-07-25 19:52:52 <drakonis> well, the general experience has been pretty smooth
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2021-07-25 19:54:25 <drakonis> anyways, life is easier on guix
2021-07-25 19:54:52 <drakonis> it hasnt spired out of control the way nixos has
2021-07-25 19:55:08 <maerwald> does steam work?
2021-07-25 19:55:20 <maerwald> with gpu acceleration
2021-07-25 19:55:26 <drakonis> sure does
2021-07-25 19:55:40 <drakonis> but it requires using nonguix to get the stuff that doesnt go on the mainline repos
2021-07-25 19:55:46 <drakonis> pretty clean affair i suppose?
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2021-07-25 19:56:40 <drakonis> except for nvidia, but that one's because nobody really put a ton of effort on making sure it works seamlessly
2021-07-25 19:56:56 <drakonis> you can install and use it but it has a couple issues that still need ironing out
2021-07-25 19:57:44 <drakonis> the repo is called nonguix
2021-07-25 19:57:56 <drakonis> there's an irc channel with the same name here in libera
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2021-07-25 20:16:41 <janus> is there a way in haskell to transform do { x<-receive; send x } into StateT $ \case State0 -> do { x<-receive; pure (State1 x, Nothing); }; State1 x -> (State0, Just x) }
2021-07-25 20:17:45 <janus> i suspect not, unless i add a "yield" between receive and send... but even if i do, how would i generate those state constructors automatically?
2021-07-25 20:18:29 <janus> maybe with templateHaskell there is a way to say "stuff every captured binding of the do into a parameter list" ?
2021-07-25 20:18:56 <janus> or maybe with RebindableSyntax?
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2021-07-25 20:20:23 <janus> if do notation is "reprogrammable semicolon", what is the "reprogrammable monadic bind" ?
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2021-07-25 20:21:07 <xerox> oh I know that one
2021-07-25 20:21:35 <xerox> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/rebindable_syntax.html?highlight=rebindable#extension-RebindableSyntax
2021-07-25 20:22:10 <yushyin> QualifiedDo?
2021-07-25 20:22:46 <geekosaur> or in 9.2 https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/exts/qualified_do.html
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2021-07-25 20:33:07 <arkanoid> sm: thanks for the answer, that's exactly what I'm planning. I'm also looking into hlint for the option to restrict type usage (it is just hinted in the readme)
2021-07-25 20:38:16 <arkanoid> I'm also considering Safe Haskell https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/7.8.4/docs/html/users_guide/safe-haskell.html
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2021-07-25 20:40:35 <monochrom> Safe Haskell only avoids unsafePerformIO and unchecked type casting, not arithmetic overflow.
2021-07-25 20:40:51 <janus> arkanoid: did you see this? https://libredd.it/r/haskell/comments/msa3oq/safe_haskell/
2021-07-25 20:41:00 <monochrom> Yes one has to eventually realized that everyone defines "safe" differently.
2021-07-25 20:41:18 <janus> yushyin: ooooh i'll check it out.. didn't cross my mind somehow
2021-07-25 20:42:37 <janus> xerox: i think qualifiedDo looks superior to RebindableSyntax.. so i'll check that out first
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2021-07-25 20:45:35 <arkanoid> janus: thanks, I've just met Safe Haskell didn't know about it's background story
2021-07-25 20:45:49 <drakonis> davean: is your issue with nix either technical or social?
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2021-07-25 20:46:29 <drakonis> just to be sure
2021-07-25 20:46:34 <davean> drakonis: i'm in a meeting ATM, the conversatio nwas right before you joined
2021-07-25 20:46:35 <janus> arkanoid: i like this quote by Cale
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2021-07-25 20:46:41 <janus> > Cale: Safe Haskell doesn't mean it's safe to compile the code, it means a bunch of random stuff which has to do with trying to make sure expression evaluation is referentially transparent...
2021-07-25 20:46:42 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:62: error: parse error on input ‘,’
2021-07-25 20:46:45 <drakonis> ah i see
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2021-07-25 20:47:13 <geekosaur> quick summary of davean's expressed position: both
2021-07-25 20:47:27 <geekosaur> both issues with the language, and issues with QA/procedures
2021-07-25 20:47:51 <davean> The concept is still a great one
2021-07-25 20:48:03 <monochrom> Technical problems have social origins. Humans are the cause of human problems.
2021-07-25 20:48:05 <davean> drakonis: https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/lchaskell is probably useful though
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2021-07-25 20:49:18 <arkanoid> monochrom: I know that Safe Haskell was not covering that, but as I'm studying haskell to improve my control over the complexity. I generally like the options to lockdown the language in that direction, as I tend to do the same with every one
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2021-07-25 20:54:34 <drakonis> davean: fair enough
2021-07-25 20:54:40 <drakonis> i checked the logs
2021-07-25 20:54:52 <drakonis> but yes, i think guix can do much better in both regards
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2021-07-25 20:55:05 <davean> drakonis: I've love more of a conversation when I have the ability to be present
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