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2021-07-26 17:20:30 <arkanoid> the more I dive into haskell type system, the more I feel it's out of reach for my brain. I now fear the ivory tower.
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2021-07-26 17:22:28 <davean> arkanoid: its just a pile of equalities
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2021-07-26 17:23:03 <davean> Are they equal? Yes/No
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2021-07-26 17:23:41 <monochrom> I am not sure what kind of response you're looking for.
2021-07-26 17:24:10 <monochrom> I'm OK with "I'm just venting, please don't answer, nothing to look here" though.
2021-07-26 17:24:37 <davean> monochrom: no, I pretty much always want to know if two types are equal or not, can you just tell me yes no for every pair of types?
2021-07-26 17:25:00 <monochrom> I hope I can!
2021-07-26 17:25:10 <monochrom> But I meant arkanoid's sentence.
2021-07-26 17:26:23 <monochrom> But regarding type equality, people usually want a way more detailed answer than "no".
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2021-07-26 17:27:05 <davean> hey want to know why it isn't equal
2021-07-26 17:27:12 <davean> but thats pretty simple - because it isn't the same thing
2021-07-26 17:27:19 <monochrom> :)
2021-07-26 17:27:36 <davean> Honestly I'm serious here, people do seem to tihnk type systems are some complex beast
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2021-07-26 17:27:41 <davean> but they're just combinators and equality
2021-07-26 17:28:05 <davean> I think people make too much of them
2021-07-26 17:28:18 <davean> They're damn useful, but at the bottom, they're dirt simple
2021-07-26 17:28:58 <nitrix> I prefer to think of it as constraint solving.
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2021-07-26 17:30:03 <arkanoid> monochrom: I'm not expecting any response, it's just a phrase generated by a peak of frustration. I fear it was too early for trying the comprehension of "Thinking with types". I plan to step back and get another general book instead, just to regain some confidence (hopefully)
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2021-07-26 17:30:44 <monochrom> Uh that's definitely an advanced level book.
2021-07-26 17:31:31 <DigitalKiwi> thinking without types
2021-07-26 17:31:38 <monochrom> I haven't never studied it or anything equivalent, and yet I wrote a lot of little Haskell programs useful for me.
2021-07-26 17:33:25 <monochrom> I don't understand why someone would go "I'm a Java beginner" then choose research papers on Java JIT optimization as their first material and then say "this is PhD-level madness, Java is not for me".
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2021-07-26 17:33:48 <monochrom> Well, I can understand if the solution is that they don't understand what "I'm a beginner" means.
2021-07-26 17:34:08 <davean> monochrom: they don't want to be bored?
2021-07-26 17:34:18 <monochrom> BTW there was also a time when OOP was PhD level stuff.
2021-07-26 17:34:24 <DigitalKiwi> https://twitter.com/ArchKiwi/status/1230074233012748289?s=20
2021-07-26 17:35:26 <arkanoid> That's not the point. It's kinda like "I love rally" and then when you finally feel brave enough to jump into a rally car you shit yourself
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2021-07-26 17:36:09 <davean> monochrom: pretty much the JIT integration is the only reason I'd program Java

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