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2021-07-06 13:48:31 <davean> mikail: its not "dynamic-linking" in the normal sense
2021-07-06 13:48:43 <davean> Which is why this is so dumb
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2021-07-06 14:00:34 <yushyin> mikail: many of us just use ghcup anyway
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2021-07-06 14:01:49 <Gurkenglas> adamse, ye thanks
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2021-07-06 14:06:58 <mikail> yushyin, on hindsight I should have just done that
2021-07-06 14:10:31 <sclv> i've proposed before that we simply disable entirely the dynamic-only path in ghc
2021-07-06 14:10:36 <sclv> as a forcing function for arch
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2021-07-06 14:11:28 <merijn> :p
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2021-07-06 14:14:51 <davean> it seems better to just have GHC detect Arch and give up the will to live when it detects its being run on Arch.
2021-07-06 14:15:23 <davean> I'd really like to understand why they insist on hurting their users and us so much
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2021-07-06 14:15:34 <Rembane> Principles I guess?
2021-07-06 14:15:42 <davean> Rembane: What principle?
2021-07-06 14:15:54 <davean> You can insist pi=3 but it doesn't
2021-07-06 14:16:06 <Rembane> davean: That everything should be dynamically linked.
2021-07-06 14:16:19 <nshepperd> a foolish consistency
2021-07-06 14:16:36 <davean> But its not even a consistency
2021-07-06 14:16:58 <Rembane> Yes
2021-07-06 14:17:10 <Rembane> They can be wrong and very stubborn at the same time.
2021-07-06 14:17:16 <merijn> davean: tbh, insisting that pi=3 is far more practical
2021-07-06 14:17:25 <Hecate> < davean> it seems better to just have GHC detect Arch and give up the will to live when it detects its being run on Arch. // well well, should I add another item to our incoming tech track meeting? :P
2021-07-06 14:17:28 <yushyin> i propose arch removes all haskell packages, it might stop the bashing here
2021-07-06 14:17:28 <merijn> pi=3 is a reasonable approximation at tons of human scales >.<
2021-07-06 14:18:00 <davean> Hecate: sadly, I'll be dealing with other things, like mac ci, so I won't get to enjoy it :(
2021-07-06 14:18:20 <nshepperd> ghc not working on arch would be inconvenient
2021-07-06 14:18:30 <Hecate> nshepperd: depends
2021-07-06 14:18:47 <merijn> nshepperd: Arch maintainers generating infinite questions here is also inconvenient :p
2021-07-06 14:18:57 <Hecate> current situation: Arch users pay 0,00€ and we get them a GHC that works but at the expense of our health
2021-07-06 14:19:30 <Hecate> ideal situation: Arch developers contribute to make their platform less shitty or port GHC like a true principled Unix would do, and we give them a hand
2021-07-06 14:19:38 <nshepperd> installing it with ghcup seems easier than installing a vm just to use ghc
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2021-07-06 14:20:06 <Hecate> it's not only about how to install GHC
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2021-07-06 14:38:28 <nshepperd2> to put it another way: arch maintainers already cause me enough annoyance and suffering without ghc maintainers also doing that
2021-07-06 14:38:54 <nshepperd2> otoh, disabling dynamic-only mode sounds like a good idea. does anyone even want it?
2021-07-06 14:39:07 <merijn> There are *some* uses, but it's fairly niche
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2021-07-06 14:45:07 <nshepperd2> relatedly, my cabal-static package broke because bootstrap.sh got removed from the most recent cabal-install sdist
2021-07-06 14:46:15 <merijn> nshepperd: Not just from the sdist :p
2021-07-06 14:46:19 <merijn> bootstrap.sh is gone entirely
2021-07-06 14:46:25 <merijn> It is not a python program
2021-07-06 14:46:26 <merijn> iirc
2021-07-06 14:47:07 <nshepperd2> it is not... python? what does that have to do with it
2021-07-06 14:47:15 <merijn> *now
2021-07-06 14:47:27 <merijn> https://github.com/haskell/cabal/tree/master/bootstrap
2021-07-06 14:48:14 <nshepperd2> oh, i see, it's separately distributed now
2021-07-06 14:49:22 <davean> nshepperd2: why did you use it?
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2021-07-06 14:51:49 <nshepperd2> to build a non-broken cabal-install package for arch
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2021-07-06 14:57:22 <davean> nshepperd2: ugh, sorry that somehow supporting Arch became your problem. Hope you escape
2021-07-06 14:57:38 <nshepperd2> i use arch lol
2021-07-06 14:57:46 <davean> And I hope you escape
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