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2025-12-23 15:56:14 <haskellbridge> <Morj> Hm, pretty good!
2025-12-23 15:56:25 <haskellbridge> <Morj> Not pointfree enough, but oh well
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2025-12-23 16:42:59 <Leary> % :t let (.:) = (.) . (.) in partitionEithers . map (uncurry (flip . maybe Left . flip $ Right .: (,)) . fmap nonEmpty)
2025-12-23 16:42:59 <yahb2> let (.:) = (.) . (.) in partitionEithers . map (uncurry (flip . maybe Left . flip $ Right .: (,)) . fmap nonEmpty) ; :: [(a1, [a2])] -> ([a1], [(a1, NonEmpty a2)])
2025-12-23 16:43:10 <Leary> Morj: Pick your poison.
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2025-12-23 17:02:54 <hololeap> or, instead of building a [(ByteString, [ByteString])], just build a [(ByteString, Maybe (NonEmpty ByteString))] from the start
2025-12-23 17:03:24 <hololeap> (I assume this data structure is being built using some kind of input from the real world)
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2025-12-23 17:07:42 <Leary> % :t partitionEithers . map ((uncurry . flip . maybe Left . flip . curry) Right . fmap nonEmpty)
2025-12-23 17:07:42 <yahb2> partitionEithers . map ((uncurry . flip . maybe Left . flip . curry) Right . fmap nonEmpty) ; :: [(a1, [a2])] -> ([a1], [(a1, NonEmpty a2)])
2025-12-23 17:08:14 <Leary> I might actually be alright with this ... the symmetries are doing it for me.
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2025-12-23 17:19:54 <hololeap> Foldable1 seems kind of pointless on the surface, but now I'm seeing a few useful functions that don't have any Foldable equivalent
2025-12-23 17:22:06 <hololeap> being able to use a Semigroup that cannot have a Monoid instance could be very handy on occasion
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2025-12-23 17:24:56 <monochrom> Yeah, things like maximum may better belong to Foldable1 too.
2025-12-23 17:25:52 <EvanR> er, is that what Foldable1 is
2025-12-23 17:26:00 <EvanR> it's not a higher kinded Foldable?
2025-12-23 17:26:33 <monochrom> Took me a while to realize that too. :)
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2025-12-23 17:27:04 <monochrom> "Oh as in foldr1, not as in Eq1"
2025-12-23 17:27:45 <monochrom> The "Semigroup" hint helped. :)
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2025-12-23 18:26:23 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> NonEmpty for example is Foldable1 but not Foldable, so Foldable1 is pretty necessary given the push to use NonEmpty to avoid partial functions.
2025-12-23 18:27:56 <hololeap> NonEmpty is Foldable though
2025-12-23 18:28:41 <hololeap> it's just that foldMap for NonEmpty carries a Monoid constraint, when Semigroup would be enough
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2025-12-23 18:28:52 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> hmm nwm, it seems to be actually Foldable. But I vaguely remember some use of Foldable1 being related to NonEmpty.
2025-12-23 18:30:40 <hololeap> with a NonEmpty, you don't have to worry about the case of an empty list, thus you don't need a definition for mempty and can use any Semigroup instead
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2025-12-23 18:31:42 <hololeap> the fact that toNonEmpty is part of Foldable1 sort of proves that NonEmpty is the canonical Foldable1
2025-12-23 18:33:16 <hololeap> I do think that Traversable1 is more useful https://hackage.haskell.org/package/semigroupoids-6.0.1/docs/Data-Semigroup-Traversable.html
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2025-12-23 18:33:45 <hololeap> I missed the discussion where Foldable1 was added to base and why some of the other things from semigroupoids were left out
2025-12-23 18:34:11 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> ye Foldable1 requires at least 1 item to work with because it has no starting accumulator so it's connected to NonEmpty.
2025-12-23 18:38:08 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> Were there any proposals to make NonEmpty a builtin list so you could write [1 | 2, 3] instead of 1 :| [2,3]?

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