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| 2025-10-28 11:47:04 | <__monty__> | Hoogle is a killer feature that's only possible due to Haskell's type system. |
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| 2025-10-28 12:02:54 | <[exa]> | kuribas: people tend to ignore the 80-20 rule when talking about programs |
| 2025-10-28 12:03:29 | <[exa]> | in the case of business logic vs. stupid bugs that prevent you to refactor to new business logic, it becomes 99.99999-0.00001 rule |
| 2025-10-28 12:05:57 | <[exa]> | kuribas: btw the types are a good counter-argument, in haskell most of the "business logic" tends to get implemented in `data` definitions instead of functions. :D |
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| 2025-10-28 12:06:55 | <__monty__> | Like the interpreter pattern? |
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| 2025-10-28 12:07:09 | <__monty__> | IME it's definitely not most business logic. |
| 2025-10-28 12:08:35 | <[exa]> | ok not "most" but it constraints the implementation pretty well, esp. if you manage to have the interpretish types, and esp. if you manage to separate the issue into nice blobs that only touch each other's `data` |
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| 2025-10-28 12:11:23 | <[exa]> | is there actually some tech docs behind hoogle? in particular, how complex queries it can handle |
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| 2025-10-28 12:13:25 | <[exa]> | (doc refers to papers from 1995-ish) |
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| 2025-10-28 12:17:17 | <kuribas> | [exa]: I see "data" as modelling the entities of the business logic. |
| 2025-10-28 12:17:45 | <kuribas> | [exa]: Without data, like in clojure, it's just loosely modelled "somewhere". |
| 2025-10-28 12:18:23 | <kuribas> | IMO even worse if it comes from the database, and you don't even know the shape of data without inspecting the database. |
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| 2025-10-28 12:21:35 | <Lycurgus> | biz logic and hs - culturally discordant / cognitively dissonant |
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| 2025-10-28 13:37:45 | <kuribas> | it doesn't have to be, haskell is a tool to codify behaviour, that should work for any problem. |
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| 2025-10-28 13:43:41 | <kuribas> | I don't see why haskell should be limited to blockchain and fast traiding. |
| 2025-10-28 13:44:40 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> In my company haskell is limited to rewrite bash scripts longer than 20 lines |
| 2025-10-28 13:44:54 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Either with shh or shake |
| 2025-10-28 13:45:34 | <kuribas> | no pandoc? |
| 2025-10-28 13:46:43 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> We use pandoc periodically, it's not load-bearing. Easier to just write the docs in the final format directly, you know ;-) |
| 2025-10-28 13:47:05 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> We've been recently trying to write new internal papers with typst instead of latex, and I like it |
| 2025-10-28 13:48:15 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> But I mean that shh (and shake) provide the load-bearing part of the small scripts that we have. They are then ran the way you would run a bash script, with a shabang line being "#!/usr/bin/env nix-shell" |
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| 2025-10-28 14:09:49 | <gf35> | hi all, i'm trying to get up and running with Yesod on nix, but i'm hitting some crazy build errors when `shakespeare` (and a couple others) are being compiled. namely undefined symbols in GLIBC_PRIVATE. i'm wondering if this is because the yesod stack templates are a little too old or if this is something common than nix users run into |
| 2025-10-28 14:10:42 | <gf35> | i've used nix with a couple other small haskell learning projects without issue, which makes me think it is something specific with the Yesod stack templates |
| 2025-10-28 14:11:44 | <gf35> | (also, in this case, i'm not using nix's ghc. i'm using the ghc managed by stack without any system/nix integration) |
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