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2026-02-17 13:59:26 <kaol> I came up with a fun function: bitraverse <*> traverse. For manipulating that bothersome Either a (b,a).
2026-02-17 14:04:54 <haskellbridge> <Morj> Since when is Bitraversable in base
2026-02-17 14:04:54 <haskellbridge> <Morj> It says 4.10.0.0 on the hackage, but what year is that
2026-02-17 14:07:56 <kaol> Since GHC 8.2, released in 2017.
2026-02-17 14:18:22 <hadronized> anyone has enough ATS knowledge and/or Linear Haskell?
2026-02-17 14:18:51 <hadronized> I’m designing my own language and I’m struggling to understand a couple ideas regarding linear proof transformationsd with regards to container type
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2026-02-17 15:54:11 <[exa]> @mad: underrated view
2026-02-17 15:54:11 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
2026-02-17 15:54:53 <[exa]> hadronized: anything specific? (this isn't a very good channel for a long writeup but perhaps people will point you in the right direction)
2026-02-17 16:00:26 <tomsmeding> Morj: base versions are listed in `ghcup list -t ghc` (or `ghcup tui`)
2026-02-17 16:00:38 <tomsmeding> also https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/commentary/libraries/version-history
2026-02-17 16:01:18 <hadronized> I asked on proglangdesign, to no avail [exa]
2026-02-17 16:01:55 <tomsmeding> there are some people here familiar with Linear Haskell (such as me, kindof), but I don't think you'll find much ATS here
2026-02-17 16:02:34 <hadronized> my question is basically about how proofs work when moving items in containers; for instance, consider a dynamic array (dynarr) type which takes pointers to stuff, like ptr(i32); my language supports existentials, so {l: addr} ptr(i32) l are pointers pointing to some l address, we just do not which; I use that syntax to introduce allocation proofs, to prove a pointer comes from a malloc for
2026-02-17 16:02:36 <hadronized> instance
2026-02-17 16:02:36 <tomsmeding> hadronized: if more long-form, you could ask here https://langdev.stackexchange.com/
2026-02-17 16:02:49 <hadronized> with {l: addr} ptr(i32) l | alloc(i32, l)
2026-02-17 16:03:48 <hadronized> if I store that in a dynamic array, I get dynarr({l: addr} ptr(i32) l | alloc(i32, l)), which by definition, only allows to know that the existential pair can be used, but you cannot for instance transformed an alloc linear proof into a deref proof by doing a get(3) -> option(ptr(i32) | deref) for instacne
2026-02-17 16:03:50 <hadronized> instance*
2026-02-17 16:04:10 <tomsmeding> it's unclear to me what `{l: addr} ptr(i32) l` means; presumably `∃(l : addr).`, but what's the juxtaposition?
2026-02-17 16:04:21 <hadronized> so I guess I would instead need to store the items as dynarr(ptr(i32)), and unsafely generate the deref proofs
2026-02-17 16:04:29 <hadronized> it does tomsmeding
2026-02-17 16:04:35 <hadronized> the juxtaposition is the same as ATS
2026-02-17 16:04:47 tomsmeding has no clue about ATS
2026-02-17 16:05:02 <hadronized> it’s a way to state that the proof is only at the static level
2026-02-17 16:05:13 <hadronized> you can imagine that as a tuple where the right side never appears at runtime
2026-02-17 16:06:05 <hadronized> so yes, it tells that we have a pointer indexed by l: addr, and the alloc(i32, l) means that we have the proof that there is an allocation of type i32 at that existential l address
2026-02-17 16:06:25 tomsmeding . o O ( agda syntax: ∃[ l ∈ addr ] (ptr i32 × @0 l), or something )
2026-02-17 16:07:30 <tomsmeding> is that `|` a sum type?
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