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2021-07-06 07:31:22 <Franciman> :D
2021-07-06 07:31:27 <Franciman> so he must have a secret agenda here
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2021-07-06 07:45:23 <Axman6> I don't even understand the context that has sparked this bizarre rant Franciman, did the HF do something? Like... most of the haskell infrastructure code (GHC, cabal etc) is licensed under actually free licences like MIT... I don't even
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2021-07-06 07:48:52 <Axman6> I've been using TabNine, which is similar to GitHub Copilot for ages, and the code it suggests is generally predictable, repetitive code - for a bunch of similar fields in a record that you set and extract from the same place? when you write { foo = foo someRecord; bar = bar someRecord, baz = , it will suggest bar someRecord.
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2021-07-06 07:56:23 <nshepperd2> they seem to have confused cabal with github, somehow
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2021-07-06 08:16:06 <dminuoso> Axman6: Are you not worried about possible licensing violations? I dont think it's far fetched to consider output of a language regression model to be derivative work of its training data.
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2021-07-06 08:19:07 <dminuoso> Just consider consider Oracle v. Google - for a summary see https://majadhondt.wordpress.com/2012/05/16/googles-9-lines/
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2021-07-06 08:28:42 <boxscape> dminuoso: AFAIU if you write code that happens to be an exact copy of other code, but you didn't have access to that code, you are not violating that code's license or copyright, but of course that doesn't apply to code made with copilot since it had access to the original code
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2021-07-06 08:29:29 <[exa]> this thing with copilot reminds me the old SCO vs linux fuss
2021-07-06 08:30:05 <[exa]> where they were pointing out that linux copied the precise header file boilerplate
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2021-07-06 09:05:37 <dminuoso> boxscape_: Good luck demonstrating that you didn't have access to the millions of *public* repositories the regression model was trained with.
2021-07-06 09:06:36 <boxscape_> dminuoso as I said, I don't think that argument applies anyway if you use that model. But yes, even if you don't use it, it's hard to argue that you don't have access to a particular piece of code if it's on github.
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2021-07-06 09:10:16 <dminuoso> *autogressive model. not regression model. :(
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2021-07-06 09:11:40 <dminuoso> From experience, licensing and copyright is something that is of little interest so plenty of modern young developers...
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2021-07-06 09:26:44 <[exa]> dminuoso: re "access" -- if you live in a cardboard box with no internet, someone dictates you GPL'd code and you write it down and ship it without licensing, is that a violation? (also, who did the violation?)
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2021-07-06 09:30:19 <merijn> [exa]: This sounds like a common techie fallacy
2021-07-06 09:30:43 <merijn> "imagining the law like a set of machine interpreted instructions as if a judge won't see straight through your bullshit" :p
2021-07-06 09:30:55 <tdammers> yeah, that
2021-07-06 09:31:04 <merijn> Is what you just described a license violation? Yes, obviously.
2021-07-06 09:31:13 <merijn> Who committed it? Probably you both
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2021-07-06 09:31:27 <merijn> Maybe just the person dictating if he got you to cooperate under false pretenses
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