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2025-12-13 08:59:19 × merijn quits (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2025-12-13 09:09:26 <haskellbridge> <sm> yikes
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2025-12-13 09:13:16 <tomsmeding> gentauro: that website is great, thank you lol
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2025-12-13 09:20:15 × merijn quits (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-12-13 09:23:39 <gentauro> tomsmeding: tell me about it. Do you know who made it? I guess we all own the person a few beers :P
2025-12-13 09:24:46 <tomsmeding> gentauro: there's a name in the website footer
2025-12-13 09:25:01 <gentauro> lucabtz: No Moggi, no Haskell ;)
2025-12-13 09:25:32 <gentauro> fun fact, I went to study there (Polo Fibonacci / Scuola Superiore Santa Ana) just cos of that xD
2025-12-13 09:25:59 × CiaoSen quits (~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-12-13 09:28:31 <gentauro> Moggi89 (On leave from Univ. di Pisa) ;)
2025-12-13 09:29:31 <gentauro> Fun fact: Acknowledgements: «Thanks also to M. Tofte and … for suggesting
2025-12-13 09:29:35 <gentauro> improvements to an early draft»
2025-12-13 09:30:33 <gentauro> M. Tofte (SML) -> Major_projects_using_SML
2025-12-13 09:30:40 <gentauro> it's a small (FP) world :)
2025-12-13 09:31:02 merijn joins (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl)
2025-12-13 09:31:26 <gentauro> I guess they forgot to add SimCorp as well in that section
2025-12-13 09:31:43 × o342 quits (~o342@113.199.255.216) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-12-13 09:32:08 <gentauro> tomsmeding: it's my goto `pastebin` no matter if it's haskell related or anything else. Best `pastebin` out there without any kind of doubt. Kudos to the author, however it is (Y)
2025-12-13 09:33:00 <tomsmeding> ... pastebin? Are we talking about the same website?
2025-12-13 09:33:20 <tomsmeding> I was talking about https://0.30000000000000004.com
2025-12-13 09:34:22 <EvanR> > let (m,e) = decodeFloat 0.3 in m * 5^52
2025-12-13 09:34:23 <lambdabot> 11999999999999999555910790149937383830547332763671875
2025-12-13 09:34:45 <tomsmeding> 5?
2025-12-13 09:34:46 <EvanR> > let (m,e) = decodeFloat 0.3 in m * 5^54
2025-12-13 09:34:47 <lambdabot> 299999999999999988897769753748434595763683319091796875
2025-12-13 09:35:07 <gentauro> tomsmeding: this is my goto `pastebin` -> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/ (please bookmark if you don't have it /s)
2025-12-13 09:35:19 <tomsmeding> oh. haha :p
2025-12-13 09:35:53 × merijn quits (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
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2025-12-13 09:36:54 <EvanR> > let (m,e) = decodeFloat (0.1 + 0.2) in m * 5^54
2025-12-13 09:36:55 <lambdabot> 300000000000000044408920985006261616945266723632812500
2025-12-13 09:37:22 <EvanR> gotta love floating point math
2025-12-13 09:37:51 <EvanR> neither 0.1+0.2 nor 0.3 equals 0.3 xD
2025-12-13 09:38:04 <EvanR> false friends
2025-12-13 09:40:37 <gentauro> tomsmeding: oh, sorry, I'm between a few chat windows. Yeah, https://0.30000000000000004.com should be bookmarked by everybody. It helps you explain why you need to skip some tools to do sensitive (finance) calculations ;)
2025-12-13 09:41:43 <EvanR> the page is missing GDscript in godot, which has a very "interesting" (bad) algorithm for printing floats
2025-12-13 09:42:10 <tomsmeding> > fst (decodeFloat 0.1) * 5^56
2025-12-13 09:42:11 <lambdabot> 10000000000000000555111512312578270211815834045410156250
2025-12-13 09:42:14 <EvanR> making it hard to demonstrate to kids using it what is going wrong with the calculations
2025-12-13 09:42:20 <tomsmeding> EvanR: it doesn't help if your summands aren't even exact :p
2025-12-13 09:43:39 <tomsmeding> > let (m,e) = decodeFloat 0.1 in m * 5^(-e)
2025-12-13 09:43:40 <lambdabot> 10000000000000000555111512312578270211815834045410156250
2025-12-13 09:44:45 × tromp quits (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:6cd5:9506:337d:4c75) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2025-12-13 09:45:22 <EvanR> don't think, dial 555 111 5123 now
2025-12-13 09:45:52 <tomsmeding> I'm getting "invalid number"
2025-12-13 09:46:03 <EvanR> lol
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2025-12-13 09:46:30 <tomsmeding> (I didn't actually try it)
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2025-12-13 09:46:54 <EvanR> > let (m,e) = decodeFloat 0.2 in m * 5 ^ negate e
2025-12-13 09:46:55 <lambdabot> 2000000000000000111022302462515654042363166809082031250
2025-12-13 09:47:19 <EvanR> > 10000000000000000555111512312578270211815834045410156250 + 2000000000000000111022302462515654042363166809082031250
2025-12-13 09:47:20 <lambdabot> 12000000000000000666133814775093924254179000854492187500
2025-12-13 09:47:40 <EvanR> oof
2025-12-13 09:47:45 <tomsmeding> > 10000000000000000555111512312578270211815834045410156250 + 2000000000000000111022302462515654042363166809082031250 * 10
2025-12-13 09:47:46 <lambdabot> 30000000000000001665334536937734810635447502136230468750
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2025-12-13 09:48:13 <tomsmeding> which, interestingly, is not the same number as decodeFloat (0.1 + 0.2) gave
2025-12-13 09:48:17 <EvanR> 300000000000000044408920985006261616945266723632812500
2025-12-13 09:48:24 <EvanR> it's a faaaaaake
2025-12-13 09:49:06 <probie> EvanR: In the Pale Moonlight (DS9) reference?
2025-12-13 09:49:12 <EvanR> obv
2025-12-13 09:49:35 × poscat quits (~poscat@user/poscat) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-12-13 09:49:37 <tomsmeding> oh, EvanR our manual sum here has too much precision
2025-12-13 09:49:49 <tomsmeding> I think?
2025-12-13 09:50:20 <EvanR> the result does
2025-12-13 09:50:26 <tomsmeding> yeah
2025-12-13 09:50:34 <tomsmeding> > map decodeFloat [0.1, 0.2, 0.3]
2025-12-13 09:50:35 <lambdabot> [(7205759403792794,-56),(7205759403792794,-55),(5404319552844595,-54)]
2025-12-13 09:50:40 <tomsmeding> note the 0.3 being -54
2025-12-13 09:51:08 <tomsmeding> we have a number with -56 but still being close to 0.3
2025-12-13 09:51:28 <tomsmeding> -56 because the 0.1 had that, and I multiplied up the 0.2 to -56-precision with the *10
2025-12-13 09:51:35 × merijn quits (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-13 09:51:49 <tomsmeding> hence our result here is closer to the actual 0.3 than the FPU's result is
2025-12-13 09:52:03 <EvanR> I just did
2025-12-13 09:52:04 <tomsmeding> it actually makes sense after all
2025-12-13 09:52:19 <EvanR> > length "3000000000000000166533453693773481063544750213623046875"
2025-12-13 09:52:20 <lambdabot> 55
2025-12-13 09:52:33 <EvanR> > length "3000000000000000444089209850062616169452667236328125"
2025-12-13 09:52:34 <lambdabot> 52
2025-12-13 09:52:37 <tomsmeding> that's boring
2025-12-13 09:52:40 <EvanR> lol
2025-12-13 09:52:54 <tomsmeding> also no that's the wrong comparison
2025-12-13 09:53:01 <tomsmeding> you can't cut off zeros at the end, that reduces the precision
2025-12-13 09:53:20 <tomsmeding> but if you don't cut off the zeros, it's still 2 digits longer: and indeed, -54 and -56 are 2 apart
2025-12-13 09:53:21 <tomsmeding> it makes sense
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2025-12-13 10:07:15 × merijn quits (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-13 10:16:50 <[exa]> wow finally a good site about ieee floats :D
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