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| 2025-08-15 09:29:34 | <ackthet> | I feel like LYAH teaches you the syntax but not the complex topics |
| 2025-08-15 09:29:46 | <ackthet> | thats just my impression. i tried it many years ago. |
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| 2025-08-15 09:44:28 | <ncf> | i still recommend the wikibook https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell |
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| 2025-08-15 10:13:34 | <merijn> | ackthet: LYAH is not a particularly pedagogically solid book |
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| 2025-08-15 10:14:06 | <merijn> | It's culturally significant in that it was the first accessible intro text to Haskell when it was written and thus got a lot of people into Haskell |
| 2025-08-15 10:14:19 | <merijn> | But it's not particularly good from an education point of view |
| 2025-08-15 10:14:25 | Lycurgus | lmao's |
| 2025-08-15 10:14:29 | <merijn> | for exactly the reason you give and many others |
| 2025-08-15 10:14:41 | <merijn> | Not to mention being rather out-of-date by now |
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| 2025-08-15 10:16:25 | <probie> | I found Real World Haskell a much better introduction, but it simply didn't age well |
| 2025-08-15 10:16:32 | <int-e> | I hate the LYAH title so much. |
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| 2025-08-15 10:18:16 | <Lycurgus> | interesting that the auther let's it go offline, doesn apparently care |
| 2025-08-15 10:18:40 | <Lycurgus> | i srsly doubt anything else he's done has had a comparable impact |
| 2025-08-15 10:18:43 | <probie> | It's not like hosting is free |
| 2025-08-15 10:18:50 | <merijn> | probie: I mean, it kinda is |
| 2025-08-15 10:18:50 | <int-e> | (Would you buy a Haskell book whose title doesn't even type-check? (I know it's freely available too. I've read a few bits and they seemed... okay.)) |
| 2025-08-15 10:19:21 | <Lycurgus> | *author |
| 2025-08-15 10:19:22 | <merijn> | Hosting a site like LYAH, completely static, no updates, that's a few bucks a month |
| 2025-08-15 10:19:34 | <Lycurgus> | *lets |
| 2025-08-15 10:19:34 | <merijn> | Lycurgus: Life happens |
| 2025-08-15 10:20:10 | <Lycurgus> | sure, but that's his magnum opus so far |
| 2025-08-15 10:20:26 | <yushyin> | i liked the simple "A Gentle Introduction to Haskell" tutorial |
| 2025-08-15 10:20:33 | <int-e> | (And when I use present tense I'm referring to the unofficial https://learnyouahaskell.github.io/ ) |
| 2025-08-15 10:20:52 | <Lycurgus> | maybe he was sensitive to the haters and has academic or other pretensions which it embarasses |
| 2025-08-15 10:20:58 | <merijn> | @quote gentle.intro |
| 2025-08-15 10:20:58 | <lambdabot> | Brend says: Whoever chose the title "A Gentle Introduction to Haskell" is obviously accustomed to wrestling bears in piranha pits or something. |
| 2025-08-15 10:21:16 | <int-e> | yushyin: it's kind of inaccessible if you don't have a solid CS background |
| 2025-08-15 10:21:23 | <int-e> | "gentle" |
| 2025-08-15 10:22:44 | <Lycurgus> | i'm banned from the official chat channel on this network for usin u and ur and stuff |
| 2025-08-15 10:22:58 | <Lycurgus> | but specifically "u" |
| 2025-08-15 10:23:15 | <int-e> | sounds fair to me :P |
| 2025-08-15 10:23:28 | <Lycurgus> | >: |
| 2025-08-15 10:23:56 | <yushyin> | int-e: true, but with CS or programming background, I found it short and concise enough to quickly learn the basics and then be able to read other resources |
| 2025-08-15 10:24:25 | <probie> | Lycurgus: It's a thing he once wrote to help people learn Haskell. Why should he be expected to maintain it in perpetuity for free? |
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| 2025-08-15 10:25:34 | <Lycurgus> | if u have a property which is well known and used it's in your interest to maintain it |
| 2025-08-15 10:25:51 | <int-e> | yushyin: Right. s/gentle/concise/ and I'm on board. It's useful and covers a significant amount of ground, if you can follow along with it. |
| 2025-08-15 10:26:00 | <Lycurgus> | i image the paper book is still selling |
| 2025-08-15 10:26:10 | <Lycurgus> | *imagine |
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| 2025-08-15 10:51:30 | <int-e> | Lycurgus: It is still selling, yeah. But it hasn't been updated since 2011. (Hmm. ebook for $36, print book only $9 more? That's an interesting pricing scheme... maybe they printed too many and still have some in stock.) |
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