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2021-06-28 00:49:42 <qrpnxz> i feel like the hierarchy should be flipped even. What does arrow even *mean* if not "a thing you can apply something to and get something back". arr utterly couples arrows to haskell functions, doesn't seems right
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2021-06-28 00:55:26 <geekosaur> methinks you're just discovering why arrows aren't used much
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2021-06-28 00:56:13 <qrpnxz> lol
2021-06-28 01:01:35 <monochrom> Right, apart from arr, arrows would be great.
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2021-06-28 01:22:36 <qrpnxz> i wonder of doing `arr :: (b -> c) -> a b' c'` would be enough
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2021-06-28 01:29:29 <qrpnxz> or really it should be from an arrow to another arrow?
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2021-06-28 01:47:17 <qrpnxz> nah, arr may be alright after all
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2021-06-28 01:48:33 <nshepperd> arr would be alright as an entirely separate typeclass for arrows that embed all functions
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2021-06-28 02:14:20 <fluorescent> i'm reading haskell from first principles and am struggling on writing the applicative instance for this: newtype Compose f g a = Compose { getCompose :: f (g a) }
2021-06-28 02:14:23 <fluorescent> any pointers on how to start?
2021-06-28 02:14:36 <fluorescent> the book gives us the type: (<*>) :: Compose f g (a -> b) -> Compose f g a -> Compose f g b
2021-06-28 02:14:54 <fluorescent> i know it should be (Compose f) <*> (Compose a) = Compose $ something
2021-06-28 02:15:11 <fluorescent> where the type of something should be f (g b), but i'm not sure how to get there
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2021-06-28 02:17:51 <Axman6> fluorescent: it's worth trying to first write: fmap2 :: (a -> b) -> f (g a) -> f (g b) -- things to take note of are; do yuo have a function with this type? (g a -> g b) -> f (g a) -> f (g b)? what about a function of type (a -> b) -> g a -> g b?
2021-06-28 02:18:20 <Axman6> uh, misread a bit, one sec
2021-06-28 02:18:34 <fluorescent> if you have the book, it's page 989 :P
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2021-06-28 02:18:41 <Axman6> do you have a function with the type g (a -> b) -> g a -> g b?
2021-06-28 02:19:12 <fluorescent> yeah, f and g are applicative instances
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2021-06-28 02:19:53 <fluorescent> so i am trying to get from f (g (a -> b)) and f (g a) to f (g b)
2021-06-28 02:22:46 <c_wraith> are you familiar with liftA2?
2021-06-28 02:23:17 <fluorescent> i am not
2021-06-28 02:24:30 <fluorescent> but now that i search it up i guess i can just do liftA2 <*>
2021-06-28 02:25:02 <c_wraith> :t liftA2
2021-06-28 02:25:04 <lambdabot> Applicative f => (a -> b -> c) -> f a -> f b -> f c
2021-06-28 02:25:44 <c_wraith> Now, can you see how to implement liftA2 ?
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2021-06-28 02:28:19 <fluorescent> hmm why is (Compose f) <*> (Compose a) = Compose $ (liftA2 <*>) f a not working
2021-06-28 02:28:35 <c_wraith> You need parens around <*>
2021-06-28 02:28:38 <Axman6> liftA2 (<*>)
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2021-06-28 02:30:42 <fluorescent> i have no idea how liftA2 is implemented
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2021-06-28 02:31:20 <c_wraith> It only uses (<$>) and (<*>). I bet you can figure it out
2021-06-28 02:31:49 <Axman6> note that its type is actually : liftA2 (a -> (b -> c)) -> f a -> (f b -> (f b -> f c))
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2021-06-28 02:32:00 <Axman6> uh
2021-06-28 02:32:03 <Axman6> close
2021-06-28 02:33:19 <fluorescent> oh i guess you can do liftA2 f x y = ((fmap f) x) <*> y
2021-06-28 02:33:31 <fluorescent> that was a struggle
2021-06-28 02:33:33 <fluorescent> lol
2021-06-28 02:34:44 <qrpnxz> f <$> x <*> :)
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