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2026-04-22 05:44:34 <gentauro> ski: I have no clue
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2026-04-22 05:51:45 <gentauro> ski: but I would say it looks pretty cool -> https://imgur.com/a/gent-looking-cool-X49HD5E (colourblind here so, don't take my word for it)
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2026-04-22 06:30:49 <dminuoso> gentauro: It is quite curious how Haskell on one hand strong advertises catching bugs with a type system, and then at the same time offers bottom in so many ways, even across our standard libraries.
2026-04-22 06:31:07 <dminuoso> But perhaps the case can be made that outright crashing a program is a better behavior than being easily caught.
2026-04-22 06:31:28 <dminuoso> If one caught a bottom, without any knowledge of its provenance, how could one reasonably recover anyway
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2026-04-22 07:29:33 <ski> gentauro : hm, i meant that your `Show' instance ought to be a separate function, named something different, leaving `Show' to be composable with other `Show' instances (try `show' on a `Maybe SelectGraphicRendition', a `Map String SelectGraphicRendition', or a `[SelectGraphicRendition]', e.g.), so you can use `Show' for debugging
2026-04-22 07:30:52 <ski> gentauro : is "Λ-gent" relating to lambda calculus, in some way ?
2026-04-22 07:32:00 <ski> (maybe the upper case lambda refers to System F ? or perhaps some linear algebra, or maybe some other theory ?)
2026-04-22 07:32:45 <ski> gentauro : is the response to the `/help' command, at the prompt, in faint weight ?
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2026-04-22 08:03:14 <gentauro> ski: the inital lambda term was `^` (SHIFT+6). Cos of the capital lambda. I never understood why we left doing that for: `\ _ -> …` (Haskell, Elm); `fun _ -> …` (OCaml, F#); `function _ -> …` (ML, F#) :-\
2026-04-22 08:03:31 gentauro `^x.x` looks SO MUCH better :(
2026-04-22 08:04:05 <merijn> Much more annoying to type though
2026-04-22 08:04:28 <gentauro> ski: `Λ-mode>` is bold, input text is "regular" and ouput is "fainted"
2026-04-22 08:05:08 <gentauro> merijn: yeah, but so are Emacs shortkeys. You tend to get used to them ;)
2026-04-22 08:05:40 <gentauro> I will take `^` over `fun …` and `function _` anyday
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2026-04-22 08:38:10 <[exa]> dminuoso: tbh the bottoms follow the pretty good practice of "if you don't know, crash it loudly"
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2026-04-22 08:38:35 <[exa]> at least I didn't spot one that wouldn't behave so
2026-04-22 08:39:52 <[exa]> gentauro: what would you use the \ for btw
2026-04-22 08:41:23 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> monochrom: the question is more, given foo = undefined being extremely cheap, whether Haskell is more given to this type of top down architecting
2026-04-22 08:41:32 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> i mean it's basically various forms of TyDD anyways
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2026-04-22 08:51:39 <merijn> Liamzee: better use typed holes via "foo = _" then you not only get a crash, but also a line number AND a type
2026-04-22 08:53:15 <merijn> *and* a warning *and* a way to turn any you forgot into compile time errors :p
2026-04-22 08:53:36 <gentauro> [exa]: funny enough, the .NET (with C#) don't anything at all :o: `Select(x => …);`
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2026-04-22 09:22:05 <ski> gentauro : mhm, i see. fwiw, `function _ -> ...' is also OCaml, but not SML (which uses `fn _ => ...')
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2026-04-22 09:23:53 <ski> (you said "ML", which is (nowadays) an umbrella term for all of SML,OCaml,F# (you could also mention Alice ML if you want, and MetaML,MetaOCaml, and the original Caml))
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