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2021-07-09 01:13:39 <exarkun> Just pull in another library, adopt a fancier build system, set up CI, set up CD, use tools to automate the development workflow, pull in linters, and formatters, and ...
2021-07-09 01:14:22 <dsal> Extra points if the additional layer has "simple" in the name.
2021-07-09 01:14:25 <exarkun> orzo: Yea, not enough of a force I guess. 1000x people who can't even recognize simple for every one of you randos.
2021-07-09 01:15:32 <DigitalKiwi> orzo++
2021-07-09 01:15:36 <exarkun> Even if you _want_ things to be simpler, you also want to get things done sometimes
2021-07-09 01:16:05 <exarkun> How often do you fully anticipate _all_ of the consequences of introducing a new piece of software into your system?
2021-07-09 01:16:45 <DigitalKiwi> https://source.android.com/setup/build/requirements#hardware-requirements
2021-07-09 01:16:47 <exarkun> There's extreme bias in the direction of more complexity, not less
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2021-07-09 01:17:34 <DigitalKiwi> my computer only has 16GB of ram ;_;
2021-07-09 01:17:45 <exarkun> I sure don't like stripe-core's 20 minute build time, but what am I gonna do, write my own stripe client library?
2021-07-09 01:18:04 <DigitalKiwi> and it only had 500GB ssd
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2021-07-09 01:19:59 <DigitalKiwi> which i finally upgraded but due to the infinite wisdom of apple this $3,500+ macbook pro has the ram soldered on so that one's out...
2021-07-09 01:20:13 <DigitalKiwi> 3
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2021-07-09 01:20:57 <dsal> You don't have a heat gun?
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2021-07-09 01:22:02 <dsal> All of my computers have 4GB of RAM or less. cachix+github actions makes things actually work at least for me.
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2021-07-09 01:23:43 <DigitalKiwi> i have several heat guns but i don't think it would help ;p
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2021-07-09 01:24:07 <monochrom> "developers" are spoiled.
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2021-07-09 01:24:46 <monochrom> But what do you use a heat gun for? To fry the over-speced computers of the spoiled developers? >:)
2021-07-09 01:24:53 <exarkun> monochrom: "users" are undiscerning?
2021-07-09 01:25:15 <monochrom> Well, I'll complain about users some other day.
2021-07-09 01:25:40 <DigitalKiwi> when your users are developers what now
2021-07-09 01:25:49 <exarkun> or maybe both are true and irrelevant and fitness is maximized by the easy production and use of bloated software
2021-07-09 01:26:22 <exarkun> The heat gun is for desoldering the tiny DIMMs before replacing them
2021-07-09 01:26:39 <monochrom> cool
2021-07-09 01:26:52 <DigitalKiwi> should i just ignore exarkun before i go off at them
2021-07-09 01:27:51 <exarkun> DigitalKiwi: let me save you the trouble, I'm going to bed now
2021-07-09 01:27:55 <DigitalKiwi> g'night
2021-07-09 01:28:07 <DigitalKiwi> As of June 2021, Google is using 72-core machines with 64 GB of RAM internally, which take about 40 minutes for a full build (and just a few minutes for incremental builds, depending on exactly which files were modified). By contrast, a 6-core machine with a similar amount of RAM takes 3 hours.
2021-07-09 01:28:07 <DigitalKiwi> lolol
2021-07-09 01:28:55 monochrom intentional misreads that as "takes such and such time to build the machine"
2021-07-09 01:29:26 <monochrom> "I would think that fewer cores takes less time to build" :)
2021-07-09 01:30:24 <DigitalKiwi> well you see the 6-core machines have bigger cores so it takes longer to move them
2021-07-09 01:31:40 <monochrom> I wonder if https://xkcd.com/303/ is the true incentive for longer build times.
2021-07-09 01:32:53 <oak-> On one of my past workplaces they actually had the boffer swords in the office
2021-07-09 01:33:17 <monochrom> nice
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2021-07-09 02:00:17 <davean> exarkun: making it complex takes more work
2021-07-09 02:00:24 <davean> exarkun: its easier to make it simple
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2021-07-09 02:01:57 <davean> exarkun: pretty sure a lot of complexity comes from people trying to look busy, important, and valuable.
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2021-07-09 02:34:39 <safinaskar> hi
2021-07-09 02:34:50 <safinaskar> i just published my second hackage package!
2021-07-09 02:35:18 <safinaskar> see ann: https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2021-July/134205.html
2021-07-09 02:35:24 <safinaskar> it is parsing lib
2021-07-09 02:35:27 <safinaskar> arrow parsing
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2021-07-09 02:37:52 <Axman6> That's the longest email subject I've seen in my life, haha
2021-07-09 02:38:03 <Axman6> and longest package name too
2021-07-09 02:39:06 <safinaskar> :)
2021-07-09 02:39:13 <safinaskar> and longest package description?
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2021-07-09 02:40:20 <pavonia> "the best parsing library" The code harder to read than e.g. MegaParsec code
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