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2021-06-14 23:09:28 <DigitalKiwi> 21:57 ski: in the former, `Int',`Maybe Int' are types, `Maybe
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2021-06-14 23:10:18 <DigitalKiwi> i was very concerned for a minute
2021-06-14 23:10:55 <monochrom> You should have faith in ski. :)
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2021-06-14 23:13:42 <DigitalKiwi> i have no lack of faith in ski, maybe
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2021-06-14 23:42:34 <larryba> hi. is there some extension that would allow me to create an operator called | and ~? I'm getting "parse error on input �|�" and "parse error on input �)�".
2021-06-14 23:42:46 <larryba> (I know that | is part of haskell syntax, and probably something similar with ~, so it's probably a long shot)
2021-06-14 23:43:03 <geekosaur> both are part of haskell syntax and can't be overridden
2021-06-14 23:43:24 <geekosaur> even with RebindableSyntax, neither can be made an operator
2021-06-14 23:43:59 <larryba> where is ~ used? I don't recall ever seeing it
2021-06-14 23:44:10 <geekosaur> it makes a strict pattern lazy
2021-06-14 23:44:20 <monochrom> ~? should be OK, HUnit uses ~?= all the time.
2021-06-14 23:44:23 <geekosaur> it's also used at type level to express type equality
2021-06-14 23:44:30 <monochrom> | is reserved.
2021-06-14 23:44:40 <monochrom> But you can make ||||| or something
2021-06-14 23:45:15 <geekosaur> right, both can be used as parts of other operators, just not by themsleves
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2021-06-15 00:14:13 <lbseale> I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on an idea: We're considering how to marshal data between C and Haskell. The size of the of data is small, but there are lot of fields in the record in Haskell (if that makes sense)
2021-06-15 00:14:55 <lbseale> On idea is to serialize it into JSON, and just pass a JSON string back and forth, this is currently how we get data into the Haskell program, it's satisfyingly fast
2021-06-15 00:15:23 <lbseale> Another option is to make a C Structs that mirror the Haskell records, and pass those back and forth
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2021-06-15 00:15:58 <lbseale> We've been able to get that working in a toy program, but setting up the Storable instance for the C struct is a bit of a hassle
2021-06-15 00:17:38 <geekosaur> there are tools that purport to make that easier but they can be fragile (gcc11 reportedly breaks c2hs, for example)
2021-06-15 00:18:42 <lbseale> yeah I was looking at one called storable-record on the Haskell side
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2021-06-15 00:19:51 <monochrom> I would expect JSON -> C struct be as much hassle as Haskell record -> Storable.
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2021-06-15 00:20:40 <lbseale> interesting, I don't know that much about C, but I work with people who do
2021-06-15 00:20:44 <glguy> There are possible advantages to the json approach if you have a particularly flexible data representation; I guess
2021-06-15 00:21:07 <glguy> if you had a bunch of lists or map structures or lots of different optional fields, it might be less hassle to go that route
2021-06-15 00:21:12 <glguy> but not for simple struct stuff
2021-06-15 00:22:24 <lbseale> hmm, yeah it's like 50 fixed fields, in addition to a list of 2 or more big records
2021-06-15 00:22:35 <monochrom> But C is a particularly inflexible language for types.
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2021-06-15 00:35:37 <_73> `Couldn't match type ‘a’ with ‘()’`. Why does unit not match with an unconstrained type variable? http://dpaste.com/8Y8GDYVHH
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2021-06-15 00:38:29 <davean> _73: That defintion says the function has to return *any* a, not an a of its choice
2021-06-15 00:38:37 <geekosaur> it is constrained. `forall a. Foo -> a` means the caller decides what `a` is
2021-06-15 00:38:41 <davean> there are things () isn't
2021-06-15 00:38:45 <davean> thus it can't be right
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2021-06-15 00:39:27 <_73> ohh. So this doesn't have anything to do with unit.
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2021-06-15 00:41:12 <_73> So really the only thing I can return is undefined right. Because undefined is the only thing that is everything.
2021-06-15 00:41:36 <geekosaur> correct
2021-06-15 00:41:53 <geekosaur> unless you have a better constraint for a than `forall a. a`
2021-06-15 00:42:06 <davean> That does make it a difficult defintion to satisfy, yes
2021-06-15 00:42:30 <_73> Ok now I understand forall
2021-06-15 00:43:04 <janus> if Foo was Void instead, would it still need a definition?
2021-06-15 00:44:13 <janus> surely anything is of type a if Void was constructed

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