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2020-10-29 20:30:08 <geekosaur> so fwiw there is no i386 download for windows in 8.8.4
2020-10-29 20:30:20 <geekosaur> only x86_64
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2020-10-29 20:34:58 <scasc> I really thought that there was at least a discussion about generally dropping 32-bit support in general? Like I seem to remember that it was brought up that the last 32-bit only Intel processor was a Core Duo, introduced January 2006 (so, 15 years in some months).
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2020-10-29 20:35:28 <scasc> The discussion might have related a different language/compiler though. I'm really hazy.
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2020-10-29 20:48:35 <hekkaidekapus> scasc: <https://old.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/hrytns/announce_ghc_884_now_available/fy7qki5>
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2020-10-29 20:50:36 <scasc> @hekkaidekapus: yes! That was it!
2020-10-29 20:50:37 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
2020-10-29 20:51:13 <scasc> And it ben gamari only talked about 32-bit *Windows*.
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2020-10-29 20:51:27 <hekkaidekapus> So, see what geekosaur said above: it’s only about Windows.
2020-10-29 20:53:28 <scasc> (if that step is concluded, then only linux would remain as a Tier 1 x86 patform, as MacOS is already only supported on x86_64)
2020-10-29 20:53:29 <scasc> https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/platforms#tier-1-platforms
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2020-10-29 20:56:52 <merijn> That's because on 32bit windows there's a whole bunch of trickiness with the linker, iirc
2020-10-29 20:57:32 <hekkaidekapus> scasc: I don’t know about the update frequency of GHC/Wiki, but if you want to be sure, choose a version and check its download page, say <https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.10.2>.
2020-10-29 20:58:14 <hekkaidekapus> merijn: That, and all the issues linked to in the Reddit post.
2020-10-29 20:59:25 <scasc> Hm, i386 only for deb9, not for deb10 or the other linux distros.
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2020-10-29 21:01:29 <hekkaidekapus> The deb9/deb10 is only an indication of the expected ABI. It does not mean the bindist could not work on other distros.
2020-10-29 21:01:46 <merijn> Yeah
2020-10-29 21:03:54 <hekkaidekapus> scasc: If unsure, use ghcup. It ships with heuristics to choose a bindist best suited to your distro.
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2020-10-29 21:04:23 <maerwald> probably not many i386 users though
2020-10-29 21:04:45 <hekkaidekapus> Aye.
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2020-10-29 21:14:15 <scasc> Exploratorily: would dropping x86 (32bit) architecture support in general (for all OSes) open up the way to simplify the GHC codebase or build toolchain?
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2020-10-29 21:16:09 hackage mysql 0.1.7.2 - A low-level MySQL client library. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/mysql-0.1.7.2 (paulrouse)
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2020-10-29 21:20:36 <monsterchrom> It would.
2020-10-29 21:20:43 hekkaidekapus_ is now known as hekkaidekapus
2020-10-29 21:21:20 <monsterchrom> But be careful with your measure of "simplify".
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2020-10-29 21:22:33 <hekkaidekapus> scasc: x86 is not a bottleneck in that regard, IMO. You can make an informed opinion by exploring these labels: <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues?label_name%5B%5D=infrastructure>, <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues?label_name%5B%5D=CI>, <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues?label_name%5B%5D=hadrian>,
2020-10-29 21:22:34 <hekkaidekapus> <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues?milestone_title=Make+removal>.
2020-10-29 21:23:27 hekkaidekapus apologises for the URL avalanche.
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2020-10-29 21:33:05 <monsterchrom> Derp, I have a python file "yield.py". I try to "import yield" to load it. I forgot that this clashes with the reserved word "yield" so python isn't understanding me.
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2020-10-29 21:33:31 <yushyin> :D
2020-10-29 21:33:35 <Rembane> monsterchrom: You can still import it if you jump through hoops but you might want to rename it instead.
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2020-10-29 21:33:39 <monsterchrom> This is why Haskell makes module names capitalized, and reserved words not. This is exactly right.
2020-10-29 21:33:49 <monsterchrom> Yeah
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2020-10-29 21:34:30 <Rembane> Cunning!
2020-10-29 21:35:23 <monsterchrom> Wait a second, yield-examples.py won't make sense either. This is a stupid language.
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2020-10-29 21:35:51 <hpc> be a real python programmer, name it __yield__
2020-10-29 21:36:02 <monsterchrom> Sorry folks, I'm dabbling in python because I am coding up python yield examples so that I can then teach Racket's shift/reset. :)
2020-10-29 21:36:42 <Rembane> monsterchrom: Misspell it instead. yeeld. :D
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