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2020-10-04 18:23:39 <justsomeguy> Yes, that sounds like a good choice.
2020-10-04 18:23:49 <maerwald> Just make sure you don't use 90% of those silly playbooks
2020-10-04 18:23:50 <kindaro> I have no preference as to the order of execution, everything will be forced in the end.
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2020-10-04 18:24:39 <maerwald> (even the "install python" playbooks are mostly broken... )
2020-10-04 18:24:48 <maerwald> so geekosaur is pretty much correct :p
2020-10-04 18:24:56 <monochrom> logict is probably the CPS-based ListT alternative
2020-10-04 18:25:14 <monochrom> err you already know logict
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2020-10-04 18:26:47 <sm[m]> maerwald these are good points. One plus I found for propellor was that (for a haskeller) it's small and simple enough to understand relatively quickly, unlike all the other config management tools
2020-10-04 18:27:01 <maerwald> sm[m]: the types are not easy
2020-10-04 18:27:12 <sm[m]> no
2020-10-04 18:27:39 <sm[m]> but I was just following the examples
2020-10-04 18:27:42 <maerwald> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/propellor-5.12/docs/Propellor-Types-MetaTypes.html#t:DebianLike
2020-10-04 18:28:04 <ski> iirc, there may've been some simpler one (without interleaving)
2020-10-04 18:28:39 <maerwald> check the IfStuck type family :p
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2020-10-04 18:29:42 <maerwald> config doesn't need strong types, because you don't need to compile config... you need to *check* it
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2020-10-04 18:30:44 <maerwald> propellor goes the opposite way and extending the expressivity instead of minimizing it
2020-10-04 18:30:57 <maerwald> which I think is the wrong approach for the problem domain
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2020-10-04 18:33:35 <sm[m]> maerwald: nowadays some would say nixos or nixpkgs is the way
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2020-10-04 18:33:54 <maerwald> sm[m]: theoretically, if you ignore the bad ergonomics
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2020-10-04 18:34:57 <sm[m]> it has the same problem as the other tools (big and complicated, big investment required)
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2020-10-04 18:35:31 <maerwald> it leaks memory, disk space and you need someone with a minimum of 3 years experience to fix any non-trivial nix problems
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2020-10-04 18:35:53 geekosaur observes that ansible started out as "the answer" to those problems
2020-10-04 18:36:12 <geekosaur> i.e. they come with the territory, it turns out
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2020-10-04 18:36:57 hackage reflex-dom-pandoc 0.4.0.0 - Render Pandoc documents to HTML using reflex-dom https://hackage.haskell.org/package/reflex-dom-pandoc-0.4.0.0 (sridca)
2020-10-04 18:37:04 <maerwald> last time I ran nix-env on my pc it locked 6GB of ram doing nothing and then ate 20GB of disk space while it was compiling unrelated GHC versions (8.4.4 or something) until it OOMed out
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2020-10-04 18:38:17 <maerwald> I don't know why tools keep installing random GHC versions for me
2020-10-04 18:39:17 <maerwald> but yes, it's nice in theory :)
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2020-10-04 18:42:45 <Rembane> maerwald: I think they don't want the installed GHCs to feel lonely.
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2020-10-04 18:44:22 <maerwald> and I don't even know how to decrease disk space in nix. I'm scared to touch any of it, because next time it will build for 3 hours again.
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2020-10-04 18:45:37 <dolio> ski: LogicT doesn't do any fancy interleaving on its own. It's CPS list like monochrom said. The interleaving comes from using different (overloaded) functions.
2020-10-04 18:45:43 <geekosaur> supposedly it's open to garbage collection but I've not played with it enough to know how
2020-10-04 18:46:01 <dolio> But those could be implemented for list, even.
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2020-10-04 18:48:37 <dolio> At least, if you mean 'interleaving choice' type stuff.
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2020-10-04 19:15:58 hackage exotic-list-monads 1.0.1 - Non-standard monads on lists and non-empty lists https://hackage.haskell.org/package/exotic-list-monads-1.0.1 (maciejpirog)
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