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2020-10-19 15:01:27 hackage pvar 1.0.0.0 - Mutable variable with primitive values https://hackage.haskell.org/package/pvar-1.0.0.0 (lehins)
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2020-10-19 15:08:35 <lightwave> newbie question: is there a generally accepted 'good' style guide for Haskell that most Haskellers agree to be good?
2020-10-19 15:08:44 <maerwald> no
2020-10-19 15:08:46 <merijn> No
2020-10-19 15:08:50 <lightwave> LOL
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2020-10-19 15:09:02 <maerwald> good question, next question
2020-10-19 15:09:15 <merijn> lightwave: There's tons of guide, but nothing universally agreed upon
2020-10-19 15:10:07 <merijn> lightwave: I think the closest to consensus you'll get is: "Curly braces and semicolons bad, layout good" and "spaces, not tabs" and even those aren't universal (but close enough)
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2020-10-19 15:10:35 <merijn> lightwave: Oh, and generally people tend to prefer "where" blocks over "let in"
2020-10-19 15:10:50 <{abby}> if you ask 3 haskellers how they format their code you'll get at least 4 different answers
2020-10-19 15:10:55 <merijn> :)
2020-10-19 15:11:17 <merijn> lightwave: I'd just do "whatever seems most readable" and "try and match surrounding style" (in projects)
2020-10-19 15:11:32 <merijn> lightwave: And people will be more than happy to critique your style ;)
2020-10-19 15:11:42 <lightwave> LAMO
2020-10-19 15:11:48 <lightwave> LMAO
2020-10-19 15:11:56 <maerwald> yes, if you wanna waste a lot of your time, ask ppl for advice on formatting
2020-10-19 15:12:05 <lightwave> Something never changes in programming languages.
2020-10-19 15:12:18 <merijn> maerwald: Well, for beginners it makes sense, they often don't know many Haskell-y idioms
2020-10-19 15:12:46 <{abby}> there are, of course, automated formatters---but I suspect the "every project has its own style" culture does not lead itself well to adopting "one true style" tools… I find ormolu's style painfully ugly, for example :p
2020-10-19 15:12:50 <merijn> I see many beginners asking for feedback where there code can be cleaned up considerably, just don't expect any universal consensus :)
2020-10-19 15:12:53 <maerwald> my advice is: never align, only indent. But that's already quite controversial
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2020-10-19 15:12:58 <noctux> what, spaces? damn it...
2020-10-19 15:13:19 <{abby}> maerwald: oo, them's fighting words
2020-10-19 15:13:29 <merijn> noctux: tabs are well defined in GHC, unfortunately they follow unix and not "what people like to pretend they mean"
2020-10-19 15:13:38 <lightwave> My keyboard only has 0, 1, space, backspace and enter keys. No tab.
2020-10-19 15:14:02 <lightwave> Forgive me for asking the style guide question. LOL
2020-10-19 15:14:21 <noctux> merijn: meaning? \t being an ordinary whitespace ascii character?
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2020-10-19 15:14:39 <lightwave> I'll not ask what editor is the best for Haskell. ;-)
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2020-10-19 15:15:07 <merijn> noctux: \t rounds to nearest multiple of 8
2020-10-19 15:15:29 <merijn> noctux: That means that the width of a tab is dependent on preceding characters
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2020-10-19 15:15:32 <{abby}> lightwave: whichever you're used to using, honestly. except for nano, unless someone's written a nano LSP client...
2020-10-19 15:15:40 <merijn> If you have 3 spaces followed by a tab, the tab is 5 wide
2020-10-19 15:15:52 <merijn> Which is the standard unix convention
2020-10-19 15:16:00 <merijn> but not how people treat tabs in source code :)
2020-10-19 15:16:21 <noctux> yeah, and as long as you set tw=8, all is fine :P
2020-10-19 15:16:37 <merijn> noctux: No
2020-10-19 15:16:37 <hyperisco> if I just want to wait for a process to terminate, do I have to read its stdout char by char until I hit EOF?
2020-10-19 15:16:50 <{abby}> noctux: set tw=0 et, you mean? :P
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2020-10-19 15:16:58 <merijn> noctux: because tw says "tabs are 8", which is *different* from "tabs round to nearest multiple of 8"
2020-10-19 15:16:59 <{abby}> s/0/8/ even
2020-10-19 15:17:19 <lightwave> s/\t/doh!/g
2020-10-19 15:17:32 <merijn> hyperisco: Possibly, if the process blocks on blocked writes
2020-10-19 15:17:58 <merijn> lightwave: It's basically 1/3rd vim, 1/3rd emacs, 1/3rd rest in here
2020-10-19 15:18:17 <maerwald> I had the impression slightly more emacs than vim
2020-10-19 15:18:31 <merijn> maerwald: That's because, like nix people, emacs people are loud :p
2020-10-19 15:18:33 <{abby}> of the emacs users, how many do you think are vim users in denial? evil, vile and co
2020-10-19 15:18:50 <maerwald> 20 vim, 35 emacs, 45 rest
2020-10-19 15:18:57 <noctux> {abby}: well, I seem to want ts :p
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2020-10-19 15:19:04 <lightwave> I use Doom Emacs (evil mode) Best of both worlds
2020-10-19 15:19:41 <noctux> hihi, vim's helptext on the matter:
2020-10-19 15:19:44 <noctux> Note: Setting 'tabstop' to any other value than 8 can make your file
2020-10-19 15:19:46 <noctux> appear wrong in many places (e.g., when printing it).
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